Chris So let me get this straight. I wish somebody a merry christmas and receive offence and threats from you - the person who was friendly enough to suggest a sexual union with you and your colleagues gets a pat on the back. I annoyed you with a trivial remark but without any intent so to do, while he who employed offensive language with the clear purpose of causing hurt is excused because he was "rightfully angry".
Only he wasn't - nobody has the right to be offensive, whatever the cause. For my part, I don't believe I was so, but I am happy to apologise as many times as you like for the upset I have caused to you or anyone else on this list. I am not, however, willing to accept your offence and threats without complaint. I can understand that this issue is causing you a great deal of stress, but has it not occurred to you that you are not the only one offended by the real abuse? Do you think that I am not hurt by it, even if I cannot claim that it is actually directed at me? Can you not understand that messages of the kind that initiated this discussion give offence to every reasonable list member? I have made no claim to be "on [y]our side" - indeed, I don't accept a model of the relationships described by this list that is characterised by sides - but I joined this forum with the intent to become better informed, not to have to witness the abuse that is all too frequent from those you have described as "rightfully angry". Let us note that I have not defended my early seasonal wishes, nor sought to justify them in any way. All I have done other than advance them and then to apologise for so doing is to complain that you have responded out of anger, have insulted and offended me in an effectively open forum, and have raised quite unnecessary threats against me. Then in our dialogue on this subject you have variously *instructed* me to "[b]e a nicer person", to "take a walk in this guy's shoes", and to "not respond to these people in this manner", all of which remarks you might usefully have addressed to yourself before striking out at the nearest available scapegoat. And what about Steve C who offered the clearly offensive "I'm sure can we express ourselves better [than] a 2 year old" and yet received no rebuke from you at all. Not that I would pretend to sit in judgement on him, but I am astonished that one who did no more than employ light sarcasm and then admit his error should be the butt of your ill humour while has made no apology and yet remains free of your ire. Even your colleague Mr Hosey remarked that "the regular members of the group are better behaved than that, with the possible exception of Chris, who gets as pissed at being repeatedly accused of being a malware author as the users are who accuse us" - unfortunately it is the behaviour of that same Chris which must now stick in my memory of this incident, if not in my craw. I will still not call you what you might be rightfully called, hoping yet that your sense will get the better of your intransigence. I have admitted my failing - can you not do the same? With best wishes - Nick On 18 Oct 2010, at 14:26, Christopher Forsythe wrote: > It is not right to provoke people who are already angry. They come to > us for help, however they phrase it. You responded in a childish > manner, which is not acceptable. My anger at you is not misdirected, I > have received lawsuit threats from previous interactions just like > that one. I'm tired of this whole thing, I'm tired of the things we > cannot control. But the thing I'm tired of the most is people who say > they are on our side, but make things worse. > > Please just don't reply if you can't help these people. If I see > another response from you in this manner, to any person in a similar > situation, I'm removing you from the list. This is not their fault, > they get stuck in a situation that's awful, and you want to try to > make things better with sarcasm? That's just awful. > > My anger at you is not misdirected. -- Nicholas J A Sanders ___________________ semiotek +44 [0]7092 153 409 [email protected] ___________________ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Growl Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss?hl=en.
