Hi Aaron,

Thanks much.  I've only tried this on one system so it could very well be
something specific to my system.  I do have defrags scheduled weekly.  I'll
have to try some other things and see where it gets me.

-Cory

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 1:43 PM
Cc: Cory Samaha; GW Micro List
Subject: Re: Beta 3 Impressions

Following your instructions, I opened up my Documents folder, which 
contains 246 documents. I'm using the TripleTalk USB, and as I arrow up 
and down the list, I'm experiencing no more sluggishness than I am with 
any other synthesizer. Interruption seems normal to me. One thing about 
the documents folder is that each time you select a file, the bottom 
pane of the explorer window populates with data about the document 
(name, date modified, author, tags, size, title, etc.).

If your drive is running slow, due, say, to the need of a defrag, or 
something like that, it could be taking that extra second to scan the 
document for this meta information. So I would recommend doing all the 
standard computer maintenance tasks, such as updating drivers, scanning 
for drive errors, defragging, etc., and see if your problem continues. I 
honestly don't think this has anything to do with Window-Eyes.

Aaron

> At 01:24 PM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
>> Ok I'm not sure if my issue is the same as other people who are reporting
>> this, because most of them said that the sluggishness has been there 
>> prior
>> to beta 3 and has actually gotten better with the release of beta 3.  
>> On the
>> other hand, I have not had a sluggish problem at all until beta 3 came 
>> out.
>> Here's an example.  In windows vista go into documents.  It doesn't 
>> matter
>> how you do this but for consistency let's just say choose documents 
>> from the
>> start menu.  At this point windows explorer opens and places you in a
>> listview of the files and folders in your documents folder.  In my case I
>> have quite a few files in this folder, and pressing down arrow to move
>> through this list I am getting sluggishness.  What I mean by sluggish is
>> sometimes it takes a second or so to interrupt speech as I'm moving 
>> through
>> the list, and it doesn't immediately speak the next item.  This is with a
>> TrippleTalk USB in USB mode.  Now if I switch to DECtalk Access32 the
>> problem seems much less apparent.  With eloquence, the speech is 
>> interrupted
>> immediately as soon as I hit down arrow but sometimes it can take a 
>> while to
>> speak the next item after it has moved there.  I hope this helps at 
>> least a
>> little!
>>
>> --Cory
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael D. Lawler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:34 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Beta 3 Impressions
>>
>> Can you give us examples of the sluggishness?
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:54 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote:
>> >I have it installed on XP using the new Eloquence so I guess it
>> >isn't OS related.
>> >I'd use WE more if it wasn't for its sluggishness.
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cory Samaha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: "'Dave McLean'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Brandon Cole'"
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Cc: "'GW-Micro, Inc.'" <[email protected]>
>> >Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:53 PM
>> >Subject: RE: Beta 3 Impressions
>> >
>> >
>> >>I never noticed a sluggishness in listviews until beta 3.  Now going
>> through
>> >>the listview in Windows Explorer, the listview in outlook 2007 both 
>> seem
>> >>slow.  I don't think it's restricted to just listviews as arrowing 
>> down a
>> >>webpage in IE 7 sometimes seems slow also.  I tried uninstalling
>> Window-Eyes
>> >>completely and reinstalling with same results.  Definitely not a big 
>> deal
>> >>but a bit annoying that's all.  Again this is with Windows Vista, a
>> >>TrippleTalk USB and 2 GB of ram.
>> >>
>> >>--Cory
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Dave McLean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:50 PM
>> >>To: Brandon Cole
>> >>Cc: 'GW-Micro, Inc.'
>> >>Subject: Re: Beta 3 Impressions
>> >>
>> >>For some reason when I shut down and restarted WE the problem 
>> disappeared
>> so
>> >>
>> >>at least I can account for that one (the one I mentioned I mean).
>> >>I'd say at this point that sluggishness is the my biggest issue,
>> especially
>> >>when using list mode in Windows Explorer.  It's better than the earlier
>> >>betas but still annoying.
>> >>In defense of Window-Eyes however I'd say I think it works with Firefox
>> >>better than the current Jaws beta which I am also using.
>> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Cole"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>To: "Dave McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Cc: "'GW-Micro, Inc.'" <[email protected]>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:46 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: Beta 3 Impressions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Hmm. I haven't seen that one. No, my issue is with Browse Mode not
>> >>>activating properly in some instances. I find that, when first 
>> loading my
>> >>>homepage when starting the browser, Browse Mode will not activate 
>> untill
>> I
>> >>
>> >>>press something. Sometimes the arrow keys work, other times it'll 
>> take a
>> >>>tab or shift tab, but it always takes something before WE will read 
>> any
>> of
>> >>
>> >>>the page, and even announce how many links are on that page. Also, 
>> I've
>> >>>found that after clicking buttons on certain sites using enter, Browse
>> >>>Mode must be turned on manually when the next page loads.
>> >>>
>> >>>Dave McLean wrote:
>> >>>>I have also noticed a weird problem in Firefox.  When turning off 
>> browse
>> >>>>mode in google WE acts as though I've already clicked search when I
>> start
>> >>
>> >>>>to type.
>> >>>>Not sure if this is the browse issue referenced in the attached 
>> note but
>> >>>>this is what I'm seeing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon Cole"
>> >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>>To: "'GW-Micro, Inc.'" <[email protected]>
>> >>>>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:54 PM
>> >>>>Subject: Beta 3 Impressions
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I feel it is our duty to be totally honest here, and so I shall. 
>> I do
>> >>>>>not think WE7.0 is ready for release at this point. Support for 
>> Firefox
>> >>>>>3, which is a much-advertised feature, is at best, incomplete. The
>> >>>>>browse mode issues that I, and several others have reported still 
>> exist
>> >>>>>in FF3, as do the Onclick issue and screen refresh issues I have
>> >>>>>reported.
>> >>>>>To clarify, Window-eyes now doesn't even report certain things that
>> >>>>>really are onclicks as such. This causes problems on certain web 
>> sites.
>> >>>>>Also, the previously mentioned screen redraw issue, where one must
>> >>>>>continuously redraw the screen when browsing sites that use 
>> frames. I
>> >>>>>have reasons for wishing to continue to use Firefox, and while I
>> >>>>>understand the needs of one individual need not be meant if it 
>> doesn't
>> >>>>>benefit the whole, I am not the only one who has experienced some of
>> >>>>>these issues. I only repete all this because my previous reports 
>> meant
>> >>>>>with no response. There is no indication these issues are being
>> >>>>>addressed.
>> >>>>>On another note, there is a brand new FF3 issue I have discovered.
>> >>>>>Certain visited links are appearing as same page links, when in fact
>> >>>>>they are not. This is probably the most minor of the issues I have
>> >>>>>noticed, but it deserves to be reported. OI am also still having the
>> >>>>>reading issue when composing a message in Thunderbird, but I 
>> admit that
>> >>>>>may be a script problem rather than a Window-eyes one. I hope I 
>> haven't
>> >>>>>ruffled too many feathers, but I felt my honest opinion should be
>> >>>>>stated. Thanks.
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