Hmm. Then why do we keep hearing say that something works with jaws and not we? I've heard several people say that about different things on this list.
-----Original Message----- From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:57 PM To: Sunshine; [email protected] Subject: Re: Window Eyes not what it used to be Hi, I will have to say this. Window eyes is up to version 7. The shark is releasing 14. And yet the shark is not working as well or with as much as Window eyes is. Yepers! People "myself included" get frustrated when something doesn't work. But then when you go and listen to some of the issues the competion's users are dealing with it makes you a little more accepting of G W Micro's work. I have a friend who uses JFW and can't even update their Adove player because all JFW reads is "button, button, button" which do you choose. <grin>. I tried using Netflix with JFW back when Netflix was easily usable with W E and Never was able to watch a movie using JFW. -----Original Message----- From: Sunshine Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:16 PM To: Dane Trethowan ; Don H Cc: Easy Talk ; John Gunn ; [email protected] Subject: Re: Window Eyes not what it used to be Well, again do you expect the world to bow down at the feet of a blind persons usage of technology? If gwmicro states they are working on things i would venture to say that they have good hands on it. If you think about it Gwmicro is making things better I for one would not want a sloppy product like the shark causenow there is a company that does not know what they are doing fs i mean they take from other screen readers blaintly and flaunt it to the high heavens. Many things they stole from window eyes and other screen readers like system access. personally since their court dates with name infringment they should have sued the company that makes the freedom pads if you get my drift for the use of the word freedom. Gwmicro is working their butts off making window eyes the best screen reader out there. many times i hear a whining message from this list about how this, or that is not right with window eyes. It makes me wonder if the people that are complainning don't really take into consideration the hours apon hours of coding, compiling testing retesting gettings tightly set up to work smoothly. doany of you believe you could do a better job then doug,dan and the rest of the staff at Gwmicro? I think not! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" <[email protected]> To: "Don H" <[email protected]> Cc: "Easy Talk" <[email protected]>; "John Gunn" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Window Eyes not what it used to be Interesting points, yep I'm a proud owner of WE however I think in the past few versions we've seen an attitude of, "we're the best at GW micro so we'll just put out what we think is good for our clients and our name will get us through thick and thin, too hell with any bad feedback we get, our name will pull us through". I'd like to think I'm wrong but that's the impression the world seems to have these days when it comes to Window-Eyes. Now we're seeing developers who get paid nothing rising through the ranks with some excellent alternatives when it comes to Screen Reading software, competition is great! but if WE is going to survive then a better attitude at the very least needs to be put on display by GW Micro. On 16/12/2011, at 5:33 AM, Don H wrote: > In my humble opinion WE is still the best screen reader but has lost > something in its ability to keep up with the changing world. > In the past GW always gave the sales pitch that it was first to support > the latest version of IE or the first to support flash. Now WE doesn't > work well with IE 9 nor does it work well with flash. Has GW lost its > relationship with Microsoft and adobe thus limiting WE ability to work > well with the latest versions? Will GW ever catch up and not be a good > screen reader but at the top when it comes to supporting the latest and > greatest. > > On 12/15/2011 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Still I think I'd rather have Window-Eyes totally screwed up than >> Window-Eyes totally screwed down<smile>. >> >> >> On 16/12/2011, at 5:22 AM, Easy Talk wrote: >> >>> Guess IE8 doesn't care where it takes a dump since it does it in windows >>> also and has ever since it came out. Just live with it but I don't think >>> you can blame Window-eyes. Every sighted person I have talked to isn't >>> amuned either. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane >>> Trethowan"<[email protected]> >>> To: "John Gunn"<[email protected]> >>> Cc:<[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>> >>> >>> Good to see you round and I'm nodding my head in agreement with your >>> below post. >>> >>> I'm sure we're now going to hear something from GW Micro regarding your >>> use of Bootcamp with your Mac and how it causes problems with >>> Window-Eyes and apps?<smile>. >>> >>> >>> On 16/12/2011, at 1:20 AM, John Gunn wrote: >>> >>>> Hello: >>>> >>>> I usually try not to make comments but in this case I have to agree >>>> with >>>> Sandra regarding apps and Andy's comment regarding 7.0 with scripts. >>>> >>>> Here at work I'm running under BootCamp and in case any one wonders, >>>> this is on a Macintosh computer. >>>> >>>> I have no loosing of speech unless IE8 takes a dump. >>>> >>>> Regarding Sandra's comment about not using Apps, here at work I don't >>>> use them either. >>>> >>>> At home running Fusion XP service pack 3 not using apps I don't >>>> experience the los of speecheither. >>>> >>>> I've created a batch which kills IE and for the most part time if I >>>> kill >>>> WE as well, WE comes back. >>>> >>>> At work sighted people also mentions that IE8 takes a dump of course >>>> they don't put it that way. Smile >>>> >>>> One more thing, mentioning BootCamp Windows732 bit and only 2GB of ram. >>>> >>>> That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Smile >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Gunn >>>> Computer Technician >>>> Renaissance Lerning Inc. >>>> Hours Monday-Friday 7:30-4:00 CT >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:03 AM >>>> To: 'Chip Orange'; [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> Chip, I'm not having problems like people are having. But, I do know >>>> that I don't use a bunch of apps either. Whatever it might be >>>> Window-Eyes is "not!!", rock solid! >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:12 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> Hi Sandra, >>>> >>>> And also, look how many are not. >>>> >>>> This makes me think it's not window-eyes, but something specific to >>>> some >>>> installations, some pcs. It's unfair, and unhelpful, to say this >>>> version of WE is all screwed up, and tell people to switch or downgrade >>>> or whatever. >>>> >>>> It's better to contact support and ask for help with problems; enough >>>> people are working fine, for others to expect to be able to do so. >>>> >>>> Chip >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:14 AM >>>>> To: 'Chip Orange'; 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>> >>>>> You're kidding right chip? Look how many people have fussed >>>>> about loosing speech. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:15 PM >>>>> To: 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>> >>>>> Andy, >>>>> >>>>> why do you think so few people seem to feel the way you do? >>>>> Do you think it possibly could be something on your pc? I'd say most >>>>> of the rest of us feel it's as stable as it ever was, and the benefits >>>> >>>>> of the scripting is just enormous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:42 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> WE has become so unstable on the two machines that I have access to >>>>>> that I have pretty much stopped using it. I just don't >>>>> have the time >>>>>> to keep rebooting and to jump through all the hoops, etc. >>>>> Two weeks >>>>>> ago I had an HD crash on this >>>>>> machine, and I haven't yet bothered to reinstall WE on >>>>>> it. Perhaps I'll revisit it when a major upgrade comes around. >>>>>> Personally, I think the problems began with WE version 7.0 and the >>>>>> scripting capability. What we gained from the scripts, or apps, as >>>>>> they're now called, we lost in stability. WE can no longer >>>>> lay claim >>>>>> to being rock solid. >>>>>> Now, it's as flaky as a teen age girl. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:23 AM >>>>>> To: Chris Skarstad; [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I've already removed and reinstalled it two times. >>>>>> T >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Chris Skarstad >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. It sounds like an uninstall and a re-install might be in order >>>>>> for you. WE is a great screen-reader but trust me, it's a >>>>> walk in the >>>>>> park compared to what I had to go through when I was using the >>>>>> others...especially jfw. don't even get me started LOL! >>>>> either way, >>>>>> that's really my best suggestion. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/13/2011 9:35 AM, Tony_C wrote: >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> Well since the release of 7.5.2 things are worse than ever. >>>>>> I open an >>>>>>> email and W E just sits there and reads nothing. There is still a >>>>>>> problem with trying to edit a message that I'm composing in >>>>>> WLM. Also, >>>>>>> now if I'm on a webpage and hit enter on an email link when >>>>>> the blank >>>>>>> message comes up W E sees the To field as being empty.. >>>>>> However I did >>>>>>> verify through a sighted person that indeed the address was >>>>>> in the To >>>>>>> field just that W E wouldn't read it. Now there is still >>>>>> the problem >>>>>>> with spell check in word, which doesn't make sense >>>>> because with JFW >>>>>>> and Nvda it works just fine. Why do we using W E have to do >>>>>> all these >>>>>>> key strokes to use spell check when it has always been as >>>>> simple as >>>>>>> tabbing once to the list of suggestions and arrowing to >>>>> the one of >>>>>>> your choice and hitting enter. It still works that way with >>>>>> the other two screen readers. >>>>>>> I've been a faitful W E user since 2003 and have >>>>> recommended it to >>>>>>> many people. However now Im afraid that I can no longer do >>>>>> so because >>>>>>> of the frustration that it causes. Unless some real fixes >>>>>> take place >>>>>>> This will be the last version iof W E that I will be using. >>>>>> It may be >>>>>>> $300 cheaper that it's major competitor but lack of ability >>>>>> to use it >>>>>>> in an efficent manner out-weighs the cost. >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>>>>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list >>>>>> and your >>>>>>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >>>>>>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GW-Info messages are archived at >>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You >>>>>>> can manage your list subscription at >>>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>>>> sender only. 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