Where in the world are you coming up with this "attitude" and "to hell
with any bad feedback" stuff? Do you expect the folks at GW to drop
development of Window-Eyes and offer a magic answer to every message on
this list?
Believe me, they hear all the kicking, screaming, wining, tantrums, and
insults hurled at them every day. And to be honest, I wouldn't waste my
time replying to it either because trying to deal with attitudes like
this is never anything other than a waste of time.
There's nothing they can say that will squelch the screaming. So their
time is much better spent working rather than changing diapers.
While reading or writing some of this crap try to put yourself in their
shoes and consider what you would do with it.
When it comes to feedback, few people feel compelled to praise the
latest release, but everyone with the slightest problem screams like a
wild banshie. So the kicking and screaming ratio in proportion to the
number of users on this list tells them where the real world is at.
they can't fix everyone's specific system quirks, and it's pointless to
respond to disrespectful messages like this because nothing short of
Doug diving out of a chopper onto your front lawn, sprinting into your
house to wave his magic wand over your computer and make it a digital
dream machine will satisfy you. And unfortunate though it may be, it
ain't gonna happen. Doug is a great guy, but he's only human. Some of us
realize and accept this and know that Clark Kent doesn't work for GW-Micro.
Eh, shoot. I'm stooping to your level. So you got the best of me. sorry.
Bad day, wrong button.
Tom
On 12/15/2011 1:38 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Interesting points, yep I'm a proud owner of WE however I think in the past few versions
we've seen an attitude of, "we're the best at GW micro so we'll just put out what we
think is good for our clients and our name will get us through thick and thin, too hell
with any bad feedback we get, our name will pull us through".
I'd like to think I'm wrong but that's the impression the world seems to have
these days when it comes to Window-Eyes.
Now we're seeing developers who get paid nothing rising through the ranks with
some excellent alternatives when it comes to Screen Reading software,
competition is great! but if WE is going to survive then a better attitude at
the very least needs to be put on display by GW Micro.
On 16/12/2011, at 5:33 AM, Don H wrote:
In my humble opinion WE is still the best screen reader but has lost something
in its ability to keep up with the changing world.
In the past GW always gave the sales pitch that it was first to support the
latest version of IE or the first to support flash. Now WE doesn't work well
with IE 9 nor does it work well with flash. Has GW lost its relationship with
Microsoft and adobe thus limiting WE ability to work well with the latest
versions? Will GW ever catch up and not be a good screen reader but at the top
when it comes to supporting the latest and greatest.
On 12/15/2011 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Still I think I'd rather have Window-Eyes totally screwed up than Window-Eyes totally
screwed down<smile>.
On 16/12/2011, at 5:22 AM, Easy Talk wrote:
Guess IE8 doesn't care where it takes a dump since it does it in windows also
and has ever since it came out. Just live with it but I don't think you can
blame Window-eyes. Every sighted person I have talked to isn't amuned either.
Robert
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan"<[email protected]>
To: "John Gunn"<[email protected]>
Cc:<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Good to see you round and I'm nodding my head in agreement with your below post.
I'm sure we're now going to hear something from GW Micro regarding your use of
Bootcamp with your Mac and how it causes problems with Window-Eyes and
apps?<smile>.
On 16/12/2011, at 1:20 AM, John Gunn wrote:
Hello:
I usually try not to make comments but in this case I have to agree with
Sandra regarding apps and Andy's comment regarding 7.0 with scripts.
Here at work I'm running under BootCamp and in case any one wonders,
this is on a Macintosh computer.
I have no loosing of speech unless IE8 takes a dump.
Regarding Sandra's comment about not using Apps, here at work I don't
use them either.
At home running Fusion XP service pack 3 not using apps I don't
experience the los of speecheither.
I've created a batch which kills IE and for the most part time if I kill
WE as well, WE comes back.
At work sighted people also mentions that IE8 takes a dump of course
they don't put it that way. Smile
One more thing, mentioning BootCamp Windows732 bit and only 2GB of ram.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Smile
John Gunn
Computer Technician
Renaissance Lerning Inc.
Hours Monday-Friday 7:30-4:00 CT
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:03 AM
To: 'Chip Orange'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Chip, I'm not having problems like people are having. But, I do know
that I don't use a bunch of apps either. Whatever it might be
Window-Eyes is "not!!", rock solid!
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hi Sandra,
And also, look how many are not.
This makes me think it's not window-eyes, but something specific to some
installations, some pcs. It's unfair, and unhelpful, to say this
version of WE is all screwed up, and tell people to switch or downgrade
or whatever.
It's better to contact support and ask for help with problems; enough
people are working fine, for others to expect to be able to do so.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:14 AM
To: 'Chip Orange'; 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
You're kidding right chip? Look how many people have fussed
about loosing speech.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:15 PM
To: 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Andy,
why do you think so few people seem to feel the way you do?
Do you think it possibly could be something on your pc? I'd say most
of the rest of us feel it's as stable as it ever was, and the benefits
of the scripting is just enormous.
Chip
-----Original Message-----
From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
WE has become so unstable on the two machines that I have access to
that I have pretty much stopped using it. I just don't
have the time
to keep rebooting and to jump through all the hoops, etc.
Two weeks
ago I had an HD crash on this
machine, and I haven't yet bothered to reinstall WE on
it. Perhaps I'll revisit it when a major upgrade comes around.
Personally, I think the problems began with WE version 7.0 and the
scripting capability. What we gained from the scripts, or apps, as
they're now called, we lost in stability. WE can no longer
lay claim
to being rock solid.
Now, it's as flaky as a teen age girl.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:23 AM
To: Chris Skarstad; [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hi,
I've already removed and reinstalled it two times.
T
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Skarstad
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now
Hi. It sounds like an uninstall and a re-install might be in order
for you. WE is a great screen-reader but trust me, it's a
walk in the
park compared to what I had to go through when I was using the
others...especially jfw. don't even get me started LOL!
either way,
that's really my best suggestion.
On 12/13/2011 9:35 AM, Tony_C wrote:
Hi All,
Well since the release of 7.5.2 things are worse than ever.
I open an
email and W E just sits there and reads nothing. There is still a
problem with trying to edit a message that I'm composing in
WLM. Also,
now if I'm on a webpage and hit enter on an email link when
the blank
message comes up W E sees the To field as being empty..
However I did
verify through a sighted person that indeed the address was
in the To
field just that W E wouldn't read it. Now there is still
the problem
with spell check in word, which doesn't make sense
because with JFW
and Nvda it works just fine. Why do we using W E have to do
all these
key strokes to use spell check when it has always been as
simple as
tabbing once to the list of suggestions and arrowing to
the one of
your choice and hitting enter. It still works that way with
the other two screen readers.
I've been a faitful W E user since 2003 and have
recommended it to
many people. However now Im afraid that I can no longer do
so because
of the frustration that it causes. Unless some real fixes
take place
This will be the last version iof W E that I will be using.
It may be
$300 cheaper that it's major competitor but lack of ability
to use it
in an efficent manner out-weighs the cost.
Tony
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