Hi Everyone,I do agree with you here, completely. I'm unsubscribing from this list for now.
Yes, Window-Eyes has a few problems, but is there any perfect program? I don't think so. I am going to say something here. I don't know of any company other than GW Micro who goes out of there way to make Window-Eyes the really great screen reader that it is, and they really put up with a lot from us here. GW Micro listens to us, and they really care, more than we think they do. agree, the negative stuff has got to stop. I'm very tired of it.
If Window-Eyes crashes, just unload it and re-load it. It usually works for me.I've done a whole lot of copying, zipping and unzipping today, and Window-Eyes hasn't even hickuped once. Other Days might not be so good, but I love GW Micro, and I'm loving Window-Eyes even when I get frustrated. Please, folks, let's be thankful for the great technology we have.
Everyone on this list, and all the staff at GW Micro, have a very wonderful, Safe and Blessed Christmas, and a super Prosperous Happy, and healthy New Year.
To all the Staff at GW Micro: Thanks for the loving Window-Eyes, and I pray for a super 2012 for business, Keep up the excellent work.
Blessings, Pat Ferguson At 03:53 PM 12/15/2011, you wrote:
Where in the world are you coming up with this "attitude" and "to hell with any bad feedback" stuff? Do you expect the folks at GW to drop development of Window-Eyes and offer a magic answer to every message on this list?Believe me, they hear all the kicking, screaming, wining, tantrums, and insults hurled at them every day. And to be honest, I wouldn't waste my time replying to it either because trying to deal with attitudes like this is never anything other than a waste of time.There's nothing they can say that will squelch the screaming. So their time is much better spent working rather than changing diapers.While reading or writing some of this crap try to put yourself in their shoes and consider what you would do with it.When it comes to feedback, few people feel compelled to praise the latest release, but everyone with the slightest problem screams like a wild banshie. So the kicking and screaming ratio in proportion to the number of users on this list tells them where the real world is at.they can't fix everyone's specific system quirks, and it's pointless to respond to disrespectful messages like this because nothing short of Doug diving out of a chopper onto your front lawn, sprinting into your house to wave his magic wand over your computer and make it a digital dream machine will satisfy you. And unfortunate though it may be, it ain't gonna happen. Doug is a great guy, but he's only human. Some of us realize and accept this and know that Clark Kent doesn't work for GW-Micro.Eh, shoot. I'm stooping to your level. So you got the best of me. sorry. Bad day, wrong button.Tom On 12/15/2011 1:38 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:Interesting points, yep I'm a proud owner of WE however I think in the past few versions we've seen an attitude of, "we're the best at GW micro so we'll just put out what we think is good for our clients and our name will get us through thick and thin, too hell with any bad feedback we get, our name will pull us through".If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.I'd like to think I'm wrong but that's the impression the world seems to have these days when it comes to Window-Eyes.Now we're seeing developers who get paid nothing rising through the ranks with some excellent alternatives when it comes to Screen Reading software, competition is great! but if WE is going to survive then a better attitude at the very least needs to be put on display by GW Micro.On 16/12/2011, at 5:33 AM, Don H wrote:In my humble opinion WE is still the best screen reader but has lost something in its ability to keep up with the changing world. In the past GW always gave the sales pitch that it was first to support the latest version of IE or the first to support flash. Now WE doesn't work well with IE 9 nor does it work well with flash. Has GW lost its relationship with Microsoft and adobe thus limiting WE ability to work well with the latest versions? Will GW ever catch up and not be a good screen reader but at the top when it comes to supporting the latest and greatest.If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.On 12/15/2011 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:Still I think I'd rather have Window-Eyes totally screwed up than Window-Eyes totally screwed down<smile>.On 16/12/2011, at 5:22 AM, Easy Talk wrote:Guess IE8 doesn't care where it takes a dump since it does it in windows also and has ever since it came out. Just live with it but I don't think you can blame Window-eyes. Every sighted person I have talked to isn't amuned either.If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.Robert----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan"<[email protected]>To: "John Gunn"<[email protected]> Cc:<[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up nowGood to see you round and I'm nodding my head in agreement with your below post.I'm sure we're now going to hear something from GW Micro regarding your use of Bootcamp with your Mac and how it causes problems with Window-Eyes and apps?<smile>.On 16/12/2011, at 1:20 AM, John Gunn wrote:If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it.Hello: I usually try not to make comments but in this case I have to agree with Sandra regarding apps and Andy's comment regarding 7.0 with scripts. Here at work I'm running under BootCamp and in case any one wonders, this is on a Macintosh computer. I have no loosing of speech unless IE8 takes a dump. Regarding Sandra's comment about not using Apps, here at work I don't use them either. At home running Fusion XP service pack 3 not using apps I don't experience the los of speecheither. I've created a batch which kills IE and for the most part time if I kill WE as well, WE comes back. At work sighted people also mentions that IE8 takes a dump of course they don't put it that way. Smile One more thing, mentioning BootCamp Windows732 bit and only 2GB of ram. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Smile John Gunn Computer Technician Renaissance Lerning Inc. Hours Monday-Friday 7:30-4:00 CT [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:03 AM To: 'Chip Orange'; [email protected] Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Chip, I'm not having problems like people are having. But, I do know that I don't use a bunch of apps either. Whatever it might be Window-Eyes is "not!!", rock solid! -----Original Message----- From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Hi Sandra, And also, look how many are not. This makes me think it's not window-eyes, but something specific to some installations, some pcs. It's unfair, and unhelpful, to say this version of WE is all screwed up, and tell people to switch or downgrade or whatever. It's better to contact support and ask for help with problems; enough people are working fine, for others to expect to be able to do so. Chip-----Original Message----- From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:14 AM To: 'Chip Orange'; 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected] Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now You're kidding right chip? Look how many people have fussed about loosing speech. -----Original Message----- From: Chip Orange [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:15 PM To: 'Baracco, Andrew W'; [email protected] Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Andy, why do you think so few people seem to feel the way you do? Do you think it possibly could be something on your pc? I'd say most of the rest of us feel it's as stable as it ever was, and the benefitsof the scripting is just enormous. Chip-----Original Message----- From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now WE has become so unstable on the two machines that I have access to that I have pretty much stopped using it. I just don'thave the timeto keep rebooting and to jump through all the hoops, etc.Two weeksago I had an HD crash on this machine, and I haven't yet bothered to reinstall WE on it. Perhaps I'll revisit it when a major upgrade comes around. Personally, I think the problems began with WE version 7.0 and the scripting capability. What we gained from the scripts, or apps, as they're now called, we lost in stability. WE can no longerlay claimto being rock solid. Now, it's as flaky as a teen age girl. Andy -----Original Message----- From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:23 AM To: Chris Skarstad; [email protected] Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Hi, I've already removed and reinstalled it two times. T -----Original Message----- From: Chris Skarstad Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Hi. It sounds like an uninstall and a re-install might be in order for you. WE is a great screen-reader but trust me, it's awalk in thepark compared to what I had to go through when I was using the others...especially jfw. don't even get me started LOL!either way,that's really my best suggestion. On 12/13/2011 9:35 AM, Tony_C wrote:Hi All, Well since the release of 7.5.2 things are worse than ever.I open anemail and W E just sits there and reads nothing. There is still a problem with trying to edit a message that I'm composing inWLM. Also,now if I'm on a webpage and hit enter on an email link whenthe blankmessage comes up W E sees the To field as being empty..However I didverify through a sighted person that indeed the address wasin the Tofield just that W E wouldn't read it. Now there is stillthe problemwith spell check in word, which doesn't make sensebecause with JFWand Nvda it works just fine. Why do we using W E have to doall thesekey strokes to use spell check when it has always been assimple astabbing once to the list of suggestions and arrowing tothe one ofyour choice and hitting enter. It still works that way withthe other two screen readers.I've been a faitful W E user since 2003 and haverecommended it tomany people. However now Im afraid that I can no longer doso becauseof the frustration that it causes. 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