On any other list serve this discussion would have been truncated a good while back.
I have suggested before that GW Micro make this a true list serve so that I would hear which list the sender was using. But it would also serve another purpose and that is so that discussion threads might be removed or members as well. I dearly loved my Windows 98SE and then XP Pro and left them kicking and screaming but change came upon me and I had to move on. There is an ancient prayer / proverb that fits here: God give me the courage to change the things which can be changed; and the Grace to accept the things which cannot be changed; and the wisdom to know the difference. He is wise who gives that which he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose. George A Martinez CPA, PC 12231 North 50th Avenue Glendale, AZ 85304-2215 Voice 602.368.8854 FAX 206.666.2589 Email [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 8:39 AM To: gw Micro Product Discussion Listserv Subject: Re: xp support for next version of window-eyes I'm sure Mr Smith is more than capable of responding to my query himself. I must say, this sudden emergence of the Aaron Smith fanclub is really bordering on the indecent. At 16:22 22/08/2014, you wrote: >I think if you read his response again you'll see what he means, it >was all too clear to me. To spell it out, yes the next version of >Window-eyes will function if you install it on an xp machine. But if >you have a problem you're on your own until you upgrade to >something like Windows 7 or 8. > > > >On 8/22/2014 11:09 AM, MJ Williams wrote: >>Sorry, I'm not sure what "professionally causal" means. Would you >>care to elaborate, please? >> >> >>At 15:07 22/08/2014, you wrote: >>>It is extra-ordinary to be professionally causal, I agree. But I >>>think you misunderstood my attempt at humor. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Aaron >>> >>>-- >>>Aaron Smith >>>Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist >>>GW Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >>>260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com >>> >>>To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past >>>correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information >>>pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW >>>Micro Technical Support Team. >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 9:48 AM >>> > To: gw Micro Product Discussion Listserv >>> > Subject: RE: xp support for next version of window-eyes >>> > >>> > What an extraordinary thing to say. If sighs and other >>> non-descript noises are >>> > the standard response to a technical query then the GW staff are in the >>> > wrong business. Certainly, I would not take very kindly if I >>> were treated with >>> > oohs and uhs. My goodness, I suggest, Mr Aaron, you think very >>> carefully if >>> > you haven't spent too long in your job. >>> > How sentimental, how impudent. >>> > >>> > rote: >>> > >We have no immediate plans to pull Windows XP support from Window- >>> > Eyes, >>> > >but we're also not going out of our way to make sure that Window-Eyes >>> > >will continue to run under Windows XP. In addition, we do little to no >>> > >testing with Windows XP, we will not be addressing bugs that are >>> > >specific to Windows XP, and if you contact our support department with >>> > >questions specific to XP, you'll probably get a lot of "Uhhhh...." >>> > > >>> > >That being said, Window-Eyes will continue to function under Windows XP >>> > >for as long as the development environment we use to create Window- >>> > Eyes >>> > >creates binaries that will run under Windows XP. Once that stops being >>> > >the case, then our support for Windows XP will cease. >>> > > >>> > >While we appreciate the financial burden that upgrading an operating >>> > >system can cost, there are (what most would consider) potentially >>> > >affordable solutions. Microsoft themselves offers brand new laptops as >>> > >low as $250 (for example, >>> > >http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/productID.2887 >>> > 29000/pgm.94341000). >>> > >If cost is the deciding factor determining your ability to upgrade, >>> > >consider contacting your local League for the Blind or comparable >>> > >charity organization to find out what kinds of assistance programs they >>> > >have or are aware of. >>> > > >>> > >Thanks, >>> > > >>> > >Aaron >>> > > >>> > >-- >>> > >Aaron Smith >>> > >Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW >>> > >Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >>> > >260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com >>> > > >>> > >To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past >>> > >correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information >>> > >pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW >>> > >Micro Technical Support Team. >>> > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: Karyn Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 8:57 AM >>> > > > To: [email protected] >>> > > > Subject: RE: xp support for next version of window-eyes >>> > > > >>> > > > If you had read my posts on this subject you would have read that >>> > > > each person knows their own financial situation and should plan with >>> > > > the information at their disposal. >>> > > > >>> > > > Enough said. >>> > > > >>> > > > Karyn Campbell, [email protected] >>> > > > Check out my blog at packerbackerkaryn.blogspot.com >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > > From: MJ Williams [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:59 PM >>> > > > To: gw Micro Product Discussion Listserv >>> > > > Subject: RE: xp support for next version of window-eyes >>> > > > >>> > > > "Anyone, in my opinion, who is running XP should upgrade at their >>> > > > first opportunity for the reason I specified above." >>> > > > >>> > > > Ms Campbell, >>> > > > As one of the more enthusiastic advocates of dropping XP in favour >>> > > > of a more up-to-date operating system, would you be prepared to >>> > > > personally sponsour a list member unable to afford the cost of >>> > > > necessary hardware and software upgrades in order that they put your >>> > > > suggestions into >>> > > practice? As >>> > > > you say, running XP is fraught with risks from hackers and crackers. >>> > > > So, it would be a very public-spirited gesture from you to enable at >>> > > least one of us >>> > > > mere mortals to make the move over to Windows Seven or later. I >>> > > > dare say GW Info is richly endowed with self-styled internet >>> > > > security experts, software analysts and engineers. I'm sure if they >>> > > > were to donate a dollar each time they gave us the benefit of their >>> > > > insight into the >>> > > subject, soon we >>> > > > would be able to help a dozen or more ignorant bumkins who are >>> > > > unwittingly throwing the future of GW, Ai Squared and the civilised >>> > > > world into question by using out-of-date versions of Windows. >>> > > > >>> > > > Sincerely, MJ Williams >>> > > > At 03:33 22/08/2014, you wrote: >>> > > > >While I am not a GW Micro/AI Squared Indiana staff member, I >>> > > > >strongly believe that XP will not be supported in the next release. >>> > > > >As you rightly point out, Microsoft is no longer supporting it >>> > > > >which means you don't get security updates thus making your system >>> > > > >vulnerable to viruses >>> > > > and hacking. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Anyone, in my opinion, who is running XP should upgrade at their >>> > > > >first opportunity for the reason I specified above. Keep in mind >>> > > > >that VISTA will be in the same position come October and I have >>> > > > >that on very good >>> > > > authority. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Thankfully I don't have to worry about this issue any longer as my >>> > > > >work machine was upgraded this past July. I love not having to >>> > > > >deal with the XP issues any longer; and this also means not having >>> > > > >to worry about needing to run an older version of WE because the >>> > > > >next version very likely won't work under XP. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Happy upgrading. >>> > > > > >>> > > > >Karyn Campbell, Illinois USA, [email protected] Using WE 8.4 on >>> > > > >Toshiba laptop running Windows 7 home premium 32-bit with Office >>> > > > >2007 and IE 10 as well as Acer netbook running Windows 7 home >>> > > > >premium 64-bit with Office 2007 and IE 10 and Microsoft security >>> > > > >Essentials on both machines. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>> > > > >sender only. 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