Hi all, I am looking for some help, mostly because I am finding only a few images of the following style of short over long skirts (long kirtle, with short gown skirt) for the early Henry VIII Tudor era. I am thinking that maybe it may have been a medieval style, but I am barely familiar with styles before the 1500s. So, I am hoping others here might have insight into this particular fashion design. This was also crossposted to SCA-Garb LJ community & mailing list, so I apologize if seeing it here is annoying.
So, is the following a Tudor or medieval fashion style? http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/ MaryLouisXIIDtl5.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/23j8o7 ) http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g173/sstormwatch/CostumeIdeas/WithyAltrSUrsula1514.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/23qzew ) I've been seeing shorter gown skirts over long kirtle skirts in a couple of Tudor images. I believe Jane Malcolm-Davies has one of her effigy images that is in a shorter over long skirt style. I've checked her site again, and her server is down for me. will check back later). I knew of the image from the illumination, which is why I scanned it in (the one on the left). Another from an illumination is here: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/TudorWomen/1500/H8StNicholasMaidens.html (http://tinyurl.com/2yfyqz ) The first two images above are from 1514. Both are of English subjects, but painted from outside of England. First one is a detail from an illumination of Mary Tudor (the French Queen) and King Louis XII of France (illuminator unknown). This is one of the ladies in waiting. The second is a side panel of an English subject, a merchant tailor named Paul Withypool, as a donor painting. The artist is Italian, Antonio da Solario. This is from the side panel of the triptych with St. Ursula (according to one web site description of the triptych). The image of the lady in waiting to Mary is what started me on the hunt, ever since I saw it in one of my history books on the Tudors a few years ago. Is the image of St. Ursula complete fantasy? I have been warned images of saints often are. Is the style based on medieval styles? Since I don't know much about medieval styles, could it have been a style seen in earlier medieval images? Anyone know? I am smitten by the St. Ursula image for some reason, and want to reproduce it for SCA wearing (or Faire, if it is Tudor appropriate). But me, the historical costumer, am unwilling to break "the rules" and get laughed at, for wearing what did not actually get worn during the Pre-17th century time period. And while a part of me is thinking of making & wearing it anyway, I would prefer if I can somehow document it before I take the time to make it. And if it is medieval, and not Tudor, that's ok, too. And if it is pure fantasy or "ancient" in style, I will deal. Any suggestions, other images or links, and comments are welcome, and appreciated. Kimiko Small www.kimiko1.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
