Okay, so just because they haven't been successful--yet--we can't criticize their strategy? And again, your defense is that Apple's practices are beyond reproach just because some other company did bad things in the past?
Clearly "I only champion Apple when the criticism raised is just unfair" really means "I always champion Apple because all criticism that does not come from me is unfair." Plain and simple, indeed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. Martin Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 3:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV So you've just admitted that they have not killed competition nor driven anyone from competing! You just hate it because they want to, while they are being sued as much as they are suing. And MS actually drove many companies out of business....and the ones they couldn't, they bought. I think what MS did is much more meaningful than what apple is trying to do -- they have cleared the landscape clean which is why PC innovation is dead --- and lets not ignore the fact that what apple is fighting to protect are product categories that they actually made viable...none of them were new, as apple was certainly not the first to introduce these types of products, but after they showed how to make those products work, the demand was born and that is when the competition actually got under way. Its all just sour grapes because they have done it better than their competition and now want to hold their pie as long as possible. Plain and simple. On Apr 5, 2012, at 2:02 PM, "Greg Sevart" <[email protected]> wrote: > You're basing it on what's available today. So far, Apple has had > mixed results with their strategy--but make no mistake, their full on > intent is to prevent anyone else from competing. The latest (again, > absurd) multi-touch patent victory this week may very well do much to achieve their goal. > They've filed for injunctions against and sued Samsung and Motorola in > just about every meaningful jurisdiction worldwide. > > So your defense is "you can't criticize Apple because Microsoft was bad too" > - awesome. While Microsoft may have had a monopoly and may have used > it to prevent choice in the marketplace, I do very much believe that > the interoperability that resulted did much to further computing at > the point in time in which it occurred. In any case, the "they did it > too" defense is ridiculous. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. > Martin > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 12:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV > > So exactly what choice has been lost? I've seen so many different > Android tablets over the past year that they can't be counted. Where > exactly is the hurt to consumers? Even their business partners compete against them. > Every product apple makes has direct competition from another maker. > And not just one, either, several. > > It just en vogue to hate the guy on top. MS was way worse than > this...not licensing a patent that probably didn't protect much anyway > is way less damaging than forcing every PC sold to have a copy of Windows installed. > > On 4/5/2012 12:39 PM, Greg Sevart wrote: >> And the competition did--and was largely winning. Now, instead of >> competing fairly and letting the market--and customers--decide based >> on the actual merits of the available offerings, Apple has chosen to >> try remove those options from the market entirely by leveraging their >> patent portfolio. I am of the strong opinion that Apple's patents are >> mostly invalid under current copyright law either due to prior art or >> the > obviousness of them. >> >> Apple's refusal to license or cross-license is counter to the way >> these are normally handled. Normally, one company will sue, the other >> party countersues, they wait for the first ruling which is usually >> not a complete win for either party, then they sign a licensing or >> cross-licensing agreement with or without a corresponding payment >> arrangement based on their new respective post-judgment positions. >> Apple has chosen to buck that normal way of doing business with the >> sole intention of eliminating any competition. That's absolutely >> their right, but it's detrimental to the market and detrimental to >> consumers, and that's why they are--with good reason--hated by many >> who > follow their behavior. >> >> It's obvious you feel that they have simply chosen not to tap that >> source of revenue, when I think most would agree that their true >> intentions are far more malicious. Again, it's their right. You >> stated that Apple is being criticized unfairly, but it's perfectly >> reasonable to dislike an organization who chooses to do business in >> that way--technically legal or not. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. >> Martin >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:59 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV >> >> A company has no obligation to ensure competition. That's the >> competition's job. Also, the decision to license a patent can be for >> income reasons, nothing at all wrong with that. But if you don't need >> that source of income, then why license? >> >> On 4/5/2012 10:51 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: >>> I disagree. It isn't a position of money, it's a genuine desire to >>> remove choice that customers clearly want. I'm sure you've seen the >>> references to "thermonuclear war." >>> >>> The patent system is stupid, software patents especially so, but I >>> don't view licensing them for a reasonable fee as anywhere in the >>> same ballpark as refusing to license them entirely so as to prevent >>> your competition from entering the marketplace (or driving them out). >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anthony Q. >>> Martin >>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:27 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV >>> >>> I'm sure they figure they have no need to derive income from >>> licensing patents with all that money in the bank...that is a >>> situation dictated simply by how rich they are. MS, on the other >>> hand, likes to derive income from licensing patents, which creates a >>> situation where they profit off the sale of Android phones. Frankly, >>> I'm not sure which is more distasteful. >>> >>> On 4/5/2012 10:14 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: >>>> Oh, Apple isn't alone--this is used in a lot of markets. However, >>>> Apple is unique in that they flat out refuse to license those >>>> patents--at any >>> price. >>>> They're not interested in competing; they want to prevent their >>> competitors >>>> from being able to offer an alternative at all. That is what makes >>>> them a special kind of patent troll. >>>> >>>> Their competitors are now doing it too (Samsung and their FRAND >>>> patents >>> come >>>> to mind)--but this is only in response to Apple's aggression. They >>>> were perfectly content to let the market decide. When the market >>>> made it clear that people preferred the choice and lower-cost >>>> options that Android provided, Apple decided that rather than >>>> provide customers what they >>> clearly >>>> wanted, they would remove the options completely. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, the patent situation will become worse, not better. >>> Recently >>>> passed "reform" changes it from a first-to-invent to a >>>> first-to-file >>> system. >>>> Prior art no longer matters unless it can be proven that a party >>>> willfully filed a patent when they knew prior art existed. Congress >>>> missed the opportunity to rework software patents entirely, which >>>> is very >>> unfortunate. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> Anthony > Q. >>>> Martin >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 9:02 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV >>>> >>>> It's not just Apple using the patent system to hinder competition. >>>> Lot of other companies are doing this too. I agree that this >>>> sucks, > too. >>>> But I place a lot of the blame for this on the fact that patents >>>> are being granted for things they shouldn't be given for. Solve >>>> that problem and you'll see a lot of this crap dying out. >>>> >>>> On 4/5/2012 9:49 AM, Greg Sevart wrote: >>>>> While I'm no fan of Apple, Apple products, or typical smug air of >>>>> superiority and advocacy most Apple customers seem to have, I >>>>> really find their abuse of the patent system far more disturbing. >>>>> They submit >>> requests >>>>> for, and receive (thanks to the braindead USPTO) patents for >>> "innovations" >>>>> with clear evidence of prior art or are obvious advancements, then >>>>> use >>>> those >>>>> patents to stifle the now-surging competition. They flat out >>>>> refuse to license patents that shouldn't have been issued in the >>>>> first place. They don't want to compete on the market--because >>>>> they're now losing the >>> market >>>>> share battle. Apple, the company--like most organizations, but >>>>> especially so--is an evil institution that has done much to damage >>>>> customer choice >>>> and >>>>> real innovation, rather than foster it as so many of their >>>>> supporters >>>> would >>>>> have you believe. Those are the people that are lemmings. For the >>>>> record, Google is evil too, but for different reasons. >>>>> >>>>> I applaud Apple for one thing--giving the smartphone market a kick >>>>> in the ass. The iPhone didn't really do anything new, but it was >>>>> clearly a >>>> superior >>>>> implementation at the time of release. Apple leveraged the >>>>> then-available technology to make a device that was thinner, >>>>> faster, and flashier than >>>> what >>>>> was available at the time. >>>>> >>>>> I have an iPhone for work. It's okay for what it does, and the >>>> screen--while >>>>> positively dull compared to AMOLED alternatives--offers >>>>> exceptional resolution and clarity. Where it is clearly inferior, >>>>> however, is the interface--it frankly hasn't materially changed >>>>> since its initial release >>>> in >>>>> 2007, and therefore just feels very dated. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>> Anthony >> Q. >>>>> Martin >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 7:17 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [H] Another Point of View of Apple TV >>>>> >>>>> I only champion Apple when the criticism raised is just unfair. >>>>> They >>> have >>>>> always had competition in the market place and you cannot blame >>>>> them, or people who buy their stuff, (whom you are willing to >>>>> refer to as idiots simply because they make their own decisions) >>>>> for the competitions apparently lack of success. Geez. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/4/2012 8:01 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: >>>>>> At 05:17 PM 04/04/2012, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Who cares if it's a walled garden or not if it does what people >>>>>>> want to do. If people choose to buy stuff from iTunes, it can >>>>>>> only be because it servers their desires to do so. It's their money. >>>>>>> Saying they are idiots for doing so is just some weird form of >>>>>>> sour >> grapes. >>>>>>> It makes zero sense. >>>>>> What makes zero sense to me how you champion Apple at every turn. >>>>>> I hope you have a ton of stock and/or were in Steve's will. >>>>>> >>>>>> T >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >> >> > >
