Did you happen to get the melting point for red dap contact cement?

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Frank Heasley <drheas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just did a quick test on the HK velcro using a heat gun and infrared
> surface temp meter.  At 100oF, the adhesive melts.
>
> Note, however, that they also sell the same material without the adhesive
> backing, which would allow you to use a different kind of glue.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Hunter <neversph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We used contact cement to connect the vinyl to the Velcro. I second using
>> bidi tape for the permanent joints.
>> On Aug 5, 2014 8:49 AM, "Joshua Slocum" <jfslo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, there are several places on the internet that sell adhesive backed
>>> velcro. However from what I can tell, most of them don't fare so well
>>> against heat, so I'd be concerned about them coming off in a strong wind or
>>> during takedown.
>>>
>>> I'm still trying to figure out a mechanical solution.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Frank Heasley <drheas...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can get velcro that has a strong adhesive backing in 75mm wide
>>>> strips, from www.hobbyking.com (US Warehouse).  It's only $2.74 per
>>>> meter.  It is very strong, and grabs really well.
>>>>
>>>> Their US warehouse ships via USPS, and rather quickly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Joshua Slocum <jfslo...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Some pics from our build-session on Sunday:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7krB_7bUPTNMmo4UUxrZ0I4REE&usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> All the gluing is quite a bit of work, and velcro is expensive. As
>>>>> I've been building I've been thinking about how to make the whole process
>>>>> easier and cheaper if anyone else decides to make one.
>>>>> - for velcro seams, use 4" wide velcro strips rather than sewing
>>>>> velcro to fabric - eliminates sewing time; costs slightly less.
>>>>> - use bi-filament tape for non-detachable seams. Just be sure to foil
>>>>> tape any exposed bf tape. Should cost a bit less, and be a bit quicker 
>>>>> than
>>>>> making seams with glue and fabric.
>>>>> - I also think using 8' of velcro on either side of the seam for
>>>>> anchors may have been overkill. If I were to make another one of these, 
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> probably use just half that amount.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Joshua Slocum <jfslo...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We just had our first gluing session on wednesday. This sunday we're
>>>>>> hoping to do the lion's share of the gluing. I'll be sure to take some
>>>>>> pictures.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sewing is nearly complete - only the anchors still need to be done.
>>>>>> They are long strips of cordura with velcro sewn on - one end terminates 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a webbing loop where tow straps can pass through and attach to playa
>>>>>> staples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Austin Desautels <adesa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh, I'm attempting the very same thing, though I can't begin
>>>>>>> construction for another two weeks - would be great to hear/see how it 
>>>>>>> goes
>>>>>>> for you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:30:38 PM UTC+2, Joshua Slocum wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've inspired me to build my own cordura/velcro yurt (H12). I'm
>>>>>>>> attempting to make it 100% reusable: no bi-filament tape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My plan is to make a semi-folding yurt, with hinges made out of
>>>>>>>> cordura and barge glue.
>>>>>>>> The seams on the dome and walls will be done with cordura + velcro,
>>>>>>>> similar to Alexander's design.
>>>>>>>> The tarp will be attached to the walls with velcro on the inside,
>>>>>>>> to keep dust and water out.
>>>>>>>> Tie-down straps will be made with cordura strips that attach to the
>>>>>>>> dome with velcro; the ends will have a sewn loop reinforced with nylon
>>>>>>>> webbing for standard tow-straps and playa staples to stake it down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll try to post build pics/updates as I'm going along, in case
>>>>>>>> anyone is interested or wants to replicate it later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:25:32 AM UTC-5, Alexander Griffin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:21:11 PM UTC-5, Robert Atkins wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:58:05 PM UTC+1, Alexander
>>>>>>>>>> Griffin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Here's pictures of WolfYurt 2.0 -- my H12 standard hexayurt
>>>>>>>>>> made with velcro and cordura
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The way the roof cone "flaps" attach to the wall sections, aren't
>>>>>>>>>> you losing the structural integrity granted by having an unbroken 
>>>>>>>>>> tension
>>>>>>>>>> band going around the top of the walls? I thought this was important.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't see why there needs to be a tension band at the top of the
>>>>>>>>> walls ("eaves").  The walls are held together firmly in a circle by a
>>>>>>>>> combination of hinges and velcro seals. It is not going to expand 
>>>>>>>>> apart on
>>>>>>>>> its own any more than a fully taped yurt.   The roof cone itself is 
>>>>>>>>> held
>>>>>>>>> together with the same tension points as any traditional taped yurt.  
>>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>> you explain to me why you think a constant ring of unbroken tape is 
>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>> to keep a yurt erect?   I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't see 
>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>> from an intuitive perspective or in practice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You could get this back by sticking your Velcro hook tape around
>>>>>>>>>> the top of the wall panels and the bottom of the roof panels, then 
>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>> the loops sewn to one long ribbon of cordura that went all the way 
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>> (and then stuck to itself at the end/start with another little patch 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> hook and loop on the outside.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't ever want velcro seals at the bottom of the roof cone.  If
>>>>>>>>> water runs down the roof it will get under the velcro seal and then 
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> the yurt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, your roof folds into six separate "chunks"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, two separate sections.   Each section is made of six
>>>>>>>>> triangles, which include a combination of standard and bifolded 
>>>>>>>>> beveled
>>>>>>>>> hinges using BiDi tape.  There are only two velcro seams attaching 
>>>>>>>>> the roof
>>>>>>>>> cone sections to each other, as seen in blue in the photos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Wolf
>>>>>>>>>
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