This is in the realm of a non constructive thread.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy L Havener
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:37 PM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking

It really frightens me that kids are growing up with this unrealistic
belief that everything is supposed to be fair to the point they cannot
take the rejection of being kicked from a game server.  Life isn't
fair.  Pick yourself up and dust yourself off and just find another server


Cc2iscooL wrote:
> Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;)
>
> He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever
> you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the
> way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the
> people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> Mob ftw.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
>> Church
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM
>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
>>
>> I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It
>> appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on
>> this one.
>>
>> Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also,
>> comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly.
>>
>> Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game.
>>
>> Timothy L Havener wrote:
>>
>>> So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone
>>> who kicks someone unfairly?  Besides that is also only for ranked
>>> servers.  There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and
>>> you can do as you please.
>>>
>>> J T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing "10 year olds" play the game
>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>> not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked
>>>>
>> with
>>
>>>> your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener <
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why not argue the point?  If you are going to make such a ludicrous
>>>>> statement please back it up with logic.  So I pay for a server for my
>>>>> friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have
>>>>>
>> no
>>
>>>>> say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time?
>>>>>
>> If
>>
>>>>> Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old
>>>>> doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own servers.
>>>>> I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to play
>>>>> where I have no say.  Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin.  Do this
>>>>> and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonard L. Church wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and
>>>>>>
>> this
>>
>>>>>> appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can't be serious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Church
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM
>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public
>>>>>>>
>> (and
>>
>>>>>>> you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out the
>>>>>>> window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get
>>>>>>> voted on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just sit
>>>>>>> and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then
>>>>>>>
>> wait
>>
>>>>>>> for them to rejoin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Valve, please don't do this.
>>>>>>>
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