He's right! Stop the compilers, put down the code, Valve. Stop working
on the game so you can spend time answering the piles of whiney, bitchy
posts in all of the Valve mailing lists.

On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 14:33 -0800, Robert Whelan wrote:
> Hey, I'm all for change, updates, fixes... whatever it takes
> 
> But to ignore 1000+ posts and offer NO HELP or comment on ANY trouble ANYONE 
> has had?
> 
> Sry, its just not very professional
> 
> Give us something... some idea... some plan... anything
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Arg! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list 
> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:19:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg files?
> 
> Pure speculation, but at this stage i imagine valve is hard at working
> fixing some of the issues we have already raised regarding the servers and
> issues raised on the client side as well.
> 
> Some of the configuration options etc are likely to change with the next
> update so it may not be feesable for them to document these yet.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:47 AM, "[ЯтR] The-/<iller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> 
> > I still cant find any reliable options on the command line switches for
> > logsdir bansdir cfgsdir, which if at any exist I know people asked for
> > these
> >
> > Blood Letter wrote:
> > > It's not my first server.
> > > Fairly straightforward?  Not a chance.
> > > A lot of conflicting, incomplete info, in many places.  It should be a
> > lot of complete, consistent, official info in one place.
> > > The point is there ARE no answers - from Valve or anyone - for a lot of
> > the problems people are having.
> > >
> > > My server's running fine now, except for the fact that it somehow loads a
> > versus map, even though none are in the rotation.
> > > And there's no way in the gui for people to vote for a map of a different
> > type.
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:48:34 -0500
> > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> > files?
> > >>
> > >> You know from time to time we all need help. I see no reason to flame
> > valve
> > >> though. The dedicated servers are fairly straight forward, there is a
> > lot of
> > >> info that can be found in many places about commands etc. All it takes
> > is
> > >> your time to go look as opposed to having the answers just handed to ya.
> > If
> > >> this is your first server ever I can understand that it seems daunting
> > but
> > >> dont be afraid to experiment on the servers, worst case scenario is you
> > >> would have to re install but uh its not brain science or rocket
> > surgery.....
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Blood Letter <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> What?  You mean Valve's comments about supporting the server admins
> > aren't
> > >>> enough?  You want actual support?
> > >>> Valve, you suck at supporting server admins, despite what you say.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think Valve should host some sample servers, with public config
> > files,
> > >>> and throw up some more public config files once in a while to show how
> > to
> > >>> <do random neat thing>.  Seems like an HLDS developer blog is in
> > order...
> > >>>
> > >>> Barring that, documentation (complete, correct, and unambiguous)
> > please.
> > >>> No, not a wiki.
> > >>> No, not a list of cvars with missing and ambiguous definitions.
> > >>> Documentation.  I'm sure some intern was tasked with compiling napkin
> > >>> scrawls and white board scribbles into a semi-cohesive document.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hell, I still haven't figured out how the actual resolution of the
> > banner
> > >>> display space.  It varies according to resolution apparently...
> > >>> I could stretch it to fill the space, but then it looks ugly.
> > >>> I could pad it, but that looks ugly too.
> > >>> (Granted, my mobo died 8 days ago, so I haven't messed with my servers
> > >>> since.)
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll be setting up a server again this weekend.  Hopefully by then the
> > dust
> > >>> will have settled, but I doubt it.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:56:55 -0500
> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> > >>>>
> > >>> files?
> > >>>  >
> > >>>
> > >>>> Careful, frank :) I said the same thing a few weeks ago only to be
> > >>>>
> > >>> barraged with "waah waaah waaaah what a crybaby" type emails flooding
> > the
> > >>> list.
> > >>>
> > >>>> But yeah. I agree with you. 100%. Valve *NEEDS* to develop some
> > >>>>
> > >>> documentation. Rule #1 - Documentation should accompany development,
> > not be
> > >>> done after the fact.
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> > >>>>
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Hotte
> > >>>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:50 PM
> > >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > >>>> Subject: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> > files?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Been through HUNDREDS of emails and it's like a guessing game for most
> > >>>> people to figure out what's what with setting up the servers the way
> > we
> > >>>>
> > >>> want
> > >>>
> > >>>> them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is it too much to ask to get proper instructions on what commands we
> > need
> > >>>> for our servers?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I really find this very poorly organized.  You create a multiplayer
> > game,
> > >>>>
> > >>> at
> > >>>
> > >>>> least provide us with proper guidance instead of a quick blurp here
> > and
> > >>>> there.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks in advance.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Busterking
> > >>>> 10-78 Clan Boss
> > >>>> Visit our website
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> > >>>> www.10-78.com
> > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>>> From: "Alec Sanger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >>>> To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:37 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Mapcycle and VS mode in L4D
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I can't seem to get VS only to work, even though I removed the non vs
> > >>>>>
> > >>> maps
> > >>>
> > >>>>> from the mapcycle file. Any ideas?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:17:12 -0700> From:
> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> Subject: Re:
> > >>>>> [hlds] Mapcycle and VS mode in L4D> > So far removing the maps has
> > >>>>>
> > >>> worked
> > >>>
> > >>>>> for me, there is also this> > "director_no_human_zombies" = "1"> -
> > >>>>> Prevents humans from joining the zombie team> > > > >> > okay, sorry
> > if
> > >>>>> this has been answered already.> >> > I'm looking to set up a
> > dedicated
> > >>>>>
> > >>> VS
> > >>>
> > >>>>> server and a dedicated COOP server.> > Do we know exactly how the
> > cycle
> > >>>>> works in regards to maps? It just> > removing vs maps from mapcycle
> > >>>>>
> > >>> going
> > >>>
> > >>>>> to make it coop only? Anyone tested> > any of this?> >
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