You also have to realise that Lotus has no qualitys what so EVER, if they didnt use fakeplayers they would most likely fail just like my servers did without the crack.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Justin <mysteriousjus...@gmail.com> wrote: > I dont care, right now im wanting to fight for my right to have a server > the way i want it, I think the FakePlayers are just as worse and are used in > the sameway, I didnt use the crack to pirate or condone piracy, i used it as > a baseline for my server just like lotus did back in the beta/earlystages > when tf2 and that clan started out; Same way that i attempted. > Now i don't have proof but it is true, also he had some of those > cracked servers back in march of 2008 when i started my own first community. > Now honestly stop the argument about me having a cracked server, because > this needs to be shifted into fake playerslots, honestly remove the > fakeslots or remove the servers altogether, ITS THAT SIMPLE. > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Kitteny Berk <b...@hairy-arse.com>wrote: > >> :facepalm: >> >> You don't fail because of other busy communities, you fail because you >> don't offer anything different to the 20,000 other servers out there, >> legit or otherwise. If you have a niche (that's not being a scumbag >> running cracked servers), exploit it. >> >> Otherwise, make a website, get your mates to join it, play loads, admin >> in a fair and reasonable manner (I seriously doubt you're capable of >> this, as I expect will be proved by the diatribe in your reply to me) >> and you'll get regular players, and from that a community will grow. >> >> Carry on as you are, and you'll just get laughed at. >> >> Justin wrote: >> > I own the game 3 times over now, I had to start a community and i kept >> > failing due to servers like lotus and dig being player whores. >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:39 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> >> You're still trying to justify running a cracked game and pandering to >> >> pirates? >> >> >> >> I also dare you to show me a time when I was running fakeclients or any >> >> sort of scheme to attract traffic. Believe it or not, there are plenty >> >> of legit communities out there - who don't lie to players, OR run >> >> nosteam cracks so 15 year olds don't have to ask their parents for $20 >> >> to buy TF2. >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my High Horse >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 18:30 -0500, Justin wrote: >> >> >> >>> no its because i cant compete with 40+ other servers who dont have a >> >>> community that supports they're own servers, if you cant get players >> on >> >>> >> >> it >> >> >> >>> you dont need the server IMHO, but still it was only 1 server and >> >>> >> >> lotus(who >> >> >> >>> im talking about mostly) started out cracked to attract players, >> >>> >> >> mana/1nsane >> >> >> >>> said it himself to me in MSN back then. Honestly you think 1 little >> >>> >> >> cracked >> >> >> >>> tf2 server is gonna ruin the game? nao your servers waisting valuable >> >>> >> >> time >> >> >> >>> for players to find an actual server is killing the game because they >> >>> >> >> talk >> >> >> >>> negatively about your servers and the game because valve wont patch >> it. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> This coming from a guy who runs cracked versions of the game so >> people >> >>>> who can't even be bothered to PAY for it can play. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 17:54 -0500, Justin wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Manipulating packets as in fake player counts like most of you guys >> >>>>> >> >> use. >> >> >> >>>> I >> >>>> >> >>>>> swear valve needs to blacklist all your servers. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Justin <mysteriousjus...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>> working as just as the same as manipulating packets to drive >> >>>>>> >> >> players >> >> >> >>>> onto >> >>>> >> >>>>>> my server. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> So hey how are your nosteam and other hacks working? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:15 -0500, Justin wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Yeah, also i wonder who likes joining servers saying 25 slots >> >>>>>>>> >> >> but >> >> >> >>>> there >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>> being nobody on.. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Hahahaha. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> But seriously. This is getting very annoying. Who likes >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> joining >> >> >> >>>> their >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> server >> >>>>>>>>> only to see people randomly screaming "FUCKING LAG"? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Andreas Grimm <l...@gmx.net> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm ... >> >>>>>>>>>> It seems so, that the guy who had the idea of custom tabs is >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> now >> >> >> >>>>>>> working >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> network optimization... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >>>>>>> Paloma >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:08 PM >> >>>>>>>>>> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> 26x+ >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> serverslaggy. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Same here. There was never a problem until last update. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >> >>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Ronny >> >> >> >>>>>>> Schedel >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:26 AM >> >>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> 26x+ >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> serverslaggy. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> We never had this problem before the latest update. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I had this issue before the update but didnt notice it >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> until I >> >> >> >>>>>>> turned >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> net_graph on to show choke, perhaps its been a bug longer. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Ryan Mannion <floormas...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> >>>>>>>>>>> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:21:23 AM >> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> making >> >> >> >>>> 26x+ >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>> servers >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> laggy. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I want to confirm that this patch has caused my 31-player >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> servers >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> exhibit lag/warping players. All players can see the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> effects >> >> >> >>>> and >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> (understandably) very angry about it. net_graph 3 confirms >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> frequent >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> high choke values (40-60) when they're typically 0 prior >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> to >> >> >> >>>> the >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> patch. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, my sv_maxrate was 30000 before the patch and >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> performance >> >> >> >>>> was >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> fine. >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Please address this issue (and the timeout bug, and the >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> team >> >> >> >>>>>>> change >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> bug)! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Coldorak < >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> coldorak....@gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I run a 27 players server (two hidden slots and sourcetv) >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> and >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> yesterday >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> thought it was me who was laggy, even with my great >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> internet >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> connection. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> So it would have been my TF2 server itself? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cold >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Nephyrin Zey >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <nephy...@doublezen.net>wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well i've been looking at it, and the combined in: and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> out: >> >> >> >>>> k/s >> >>>> >> >>>>>>> rates >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen to hit 30... buuut, i'm getting a lot of >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> 'faded' >> >> >> >>>>>>> colors on >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the net graph and update rate is dropping way below 66 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> even >> >> >> >>>>>>> though >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> server is maintaining its FPS just fine. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm assuming it's hitting its rate limit, but i could be >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> mistaken. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve, can you please take a look at this and give us >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> word? >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> list >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> archives, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coldfire.info >> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> list >> >> >> >>>>>>> archives, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> 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