:facepalm: You don't fail because of other busy communities, you fail because you don't offer anything different to the 20,000 other servers out there, legit or otherwise. If you have a niche (that's not being a scumbag running cracked servers), exploit it.
Otherwise, make a website, get your mates to join it, play loads, admin in a fair and reasonable manner (I seriously doubt you're capable of this, as I expect will be proved by the diatribe in your reply to me) and you'll get regular players, and from that a community will grow. Carry on as you are, and you'll just get laughed at. Justin wrote: > I own the game 3 times over now, I had to start a community and i kept > failing due to servers like lotus and dig being player whores. > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:39 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> wrote: > > >> You're still trying to justify running a cracked game and pandering to >> pirates? >> >> I also dare you to show me a time when I was running fakeclients or any >> sort of scheme to attract traffic. Believe it or not, there are plenty >> of legit communities out there - who don't lie to players, OR run >> nosteam cracks so 15 year olds don't have to ask their parents for $20 >> to buy TF2. >> >> >> Sent from my High Horse >> >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 18:30 -0500, Justin wrote: >> >>> no its because i cant compete with 40+ other servers who dont have a >>> community that supports they're own servers, if you cant get players on >>> >> it >> >>> you dont need the server IMHO, but still it was only 1 server and >>> >> lotus(who >> >>> im talking about mostly) started out cracked to attract players, >>> >> mana/1nsane >> >>> said it himself to me in MSN back then. Honestly you think 1 little >>> >> cracked >> >>> tf2 server is gonna ruin the game? nao your servers waisting valuable >>> >> time >> >>> for players to find an actual server is killing the game because they >>> >> talk >> >>> negatively about your servers and the game because valve wont patch it. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> This coming from a guy who runs cracked versions of the game so people >>>> who can't even be bothered to PAY for it can play. >>>> >>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 17:54 -0500, Justin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Manipulating packets as in fake player counts like most of you guys >>>>> >> use. >> >>>> I >>>> >>>>> swear valve needs to blacklist all your servers. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Justin <mysteriousjus...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> working as just as the same as manipulating packets to drive >>>>>> >> players >> >>>> onto >>>> >>>>>> my server. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, msleeper <mslee...@cyberwurx.com> >>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> So hey how are your nosteam and other hacks working? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:15 -0500, Justin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, also i wonder who likes joining servers saying 25 slots >>>>>>>> >> but >> >>>> there >>>> >>>>>>>> being nobody on.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> Hahahaha. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But seriously. This is getting very annoying. Who likes >>>>>>>>> >> joining >> >>>> their >>>> >>>>>>>>> server >>>>>>>>> only to see people randomly screaming "FUCKING LAG"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Andreas Grimm <l...@gmx.net> >>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmmm ... >>>>>>>>>> It seems so, that the guy who had the idea of custom tabs is >>>>>>>>>> >> now >> >>>>>>> working >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> network optimization... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>> >> Tony >> >>>>>>> Paloma >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making >>>>>>>>>> >>>> 26x+ >>>> >>>>>>>>>> serverslaggy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Same here. There was never a problem until last update. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>> >> Ronny >> >>>>>>> Schedel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:26 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making >>>>>>>>>> >>>> 26x+ >>>> >>>>>>>>>> serverslaggy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We never had this problem before the latest update. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I had this issue before the update but didnt notice it >>>>>>>>>>> >> until I >> >>>>>>> turned >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> net_graph on to show choke, perhaps its been a bug longer. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> From: Ryan Mannion <floormas...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:21:23 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction >>>>>>>>>>> >> making >> >>>> 26x+ >>>> >>>>>>>>> servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> laggy. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I want to confirm that this patch has caused my 31-player >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> servers >>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> exhibit lag/warping players. All players can see the >>>>>>>>>>> >> effects >> >>>> and >>>> >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (understandably) very angry about it. net_graph 3 confirms >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> frequent >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> high choke values (40-60) when they're typically 0 prior >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>>> patch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, my sv_maxrate was 30000 before the patch and >>>>>>>>>>> >> performance >> >>>> was >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please address this issue (and the timeout bug, and the >>>>>>>>>>> >> team >> >>>>>>> change >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bug)! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Coldorak < >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> coldorak....@gmail.com >>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I run a 27 players server (two hidden slots and sourcetv) >>>>>>>>>>>> >> and >> >>>>>>>>> yesterday >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thought it was me who was laggy, even with my great >>>>>>>>>>>> >> internet >> >>>>>>>>> connection. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So it would have been my TF2 server itself? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cold >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Nephyrin Zey >>>>>>>>>>>> <nephy...@doublezen.net>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well i've been looking at it, and the combined in: and >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> out: >> >>>> k/s >>>> >>>>>>> rates >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> never seen to hit 30... buuut, i'm getting a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 'faded' >> >>>>>>> colors on >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the net graph and update rate is dropping way below 66 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> even >> >>>>>>> though >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> server is maintaining its FPS just fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm assuming it's hitting its rate limit, but i could be >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> mistaken. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Valve, can you please take a look at this and give us >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> word? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> list >> >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.coldfire.info >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>>>>>>>>> >> list >> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>>>>>>>> >> list >> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the >>>>>>>>>>> >> list >> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> >>>> archives, >>>> >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> >>>> archives, >>>> >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> >> archives, >> >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> >> archives, >> >>>> please visit: >>>> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
