Dear Admin, I certainly don't want to get into a debate about Kigen's AC here, but I feel compelled to say you are absolutely wrong with your statement about Kigen "forcing" you to use anything you don't want to. Kigen's AC uses a SourceMod config file just like SMAC does that allows you to configure his system to your needs. There is no "forcing" anything on anyone. Most of his settings are configurable. If they aren't in the config file, they shouldn't be messed with.
As for using his "server", if you mean using his KAC global ban list, this is a global level cheater DB he provides for free to admins who use his system and most server admins consider this a very good thing. It's a list of all cheaters that have been banned using his AC. It's so powerful that SMAC uses Kigen's Global DB because they feel it's important enough to incorporate into their system. I think you're misinformed on this. Either way, my point is if you pick SMAC or Kigen's system, your cheater problems will be greatly reduced, this I assure you. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Admin Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:13 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Dealing with persistent cheaters LMFAO Kigen's anticheat is obsolete and Kiegen forces you to use his server with his conditions. There is no leeway or allowances for independent control over banning and you are forced to kigens global banning system. There is no decent support less being dictated too. I highly recommend that one avoids this system entirely SMAC is far more superior and has no restrictions or limitations. It is constantly updated and when an issue is found it is mostly corrected immediately upon the team reading the issues SMAC can be found at allied modders http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=156872 I have tried both cheat systems and found KAC to be lacking and missed 8 out of ten simulated cheats. SMAC prevented 10 out of ten and allows you to freely configure its uses without being forced to use a global system. -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Mike @ BOOM! Sent: Monday, 30 January 2012 12:56 PM To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' Subject: Re: [hlds] Dealing with persistent cheaters I was like you when it came to dealing with cheaters. I was so sick of them I almost stopped hosting. The came SourceBans and Kigen's AC. For the past 2+ years we have used SourceBans: www.sourcebans.net to handle our Admin management and bans list on a global community level. Banned in one server means banned in all our servers when using SourceBans. We also use the Steambans SBSRC Plugin at: www.steambans.com, which is another global ban list with 1000's of banned cheater SteamIDs in it. Finally and most importantly, there are two cheat detection plugins that block and ban a ton of cheaters for us. The original Kigen's Anticheat: http://www.kigenac.com/ SourceMod plugin (wonderful!!!) and the newer SourceMod Anticheat (SMAC), spun off of Kigen's platform. Both Kigen's and SMAC integrate seamlessly with Sourcebans to perma-ban suspect cheaters without an Admin being in the server. I can't say enough about Kigen and his wonderful work. It really has saved our asses and it's very cool to see players being banned when they cheat when Admins are in the server. It's like having an Admin who is spectating every player on every server 24/7! By running a global ban management system like SourceBans and having real-time cheat detection of the likes of Kigen's AC or SMAC, we have virtually eliminated the need for Admins most of the time. Sure and occasional player is missed when using some cheat we can't T detect, but this is so rare we don't worry that much about it. You can even download the banlists from other communities who make them available on their Sourcebans site so you don't have to start from scratch. Check out the links and let me know if you have any questions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Rob Liu Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:45 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Dealing with persistent cheaters Price of the game going free to play. Servers get more traffic, but no other way to deal with persistent cheaters and griefers. Ban has lost its meaning. There is nothing we can do as server owners. Valve really need to figure something out. On 1/30/12, hlds <h...@gmx.com> wrote: > I had once a problem with a guy that had many F2P accounts and as > provider one of the biggest from my country (dynamic IPs and > impossible to ban), but I was lucky to find out that he also had a web > server hosted on his computer. I did a script to check every 5 minutes > the IP for that site and to update a firewall rule, but usually you > can't do nothing, except to have some nice words for Valve and as many admins as possible. > > > > I don't understand why this is not a top priority thing for Valve, > because a cheater with speedhack can empty a server in few minutes. At > least we should have access to some hardware fingerprint or something > like this. > > > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Alexander Z > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:42 PM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [hlds] Dealing with persistent cheaters > > > > The kind with dynamic IPs, lots of F2P accounts and time to spare. > > Any tips on dealing with them? > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
