Well if you go to the news page from in Steam and click the "Steam Adds Weekly Top Sellers List and Current Specials List<http://store.steampowered.com/news/2559/>" url in the news column there is an rss url that opens up the actual xml file code in Steam, not the RSS feed. Perhaps this is a setting in IE I set but I doubt it. Anyone else? Kinda proves our point if its true.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh fine then. :/ > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Joachim Sehlstedt <u...@newstyledata.net > >wrote: > > > Even after you uninstall IE in Windows 7 the dlls that handle the > > rendering is still there because so many 3rd party applications uses > > them to render help files and such. So yes they can still expect it to > > work even if you uninstall it, it's just the gui you uninstall. > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > Windows 7 has an option to remove IE as part of windows features. > There's > > > nothing to prevent oems (what with those fun lawsuits), especially > those > > in > > > Europe from removing IE and bundling say Firefox and Opera. > > > > > > Valve can no longer expect IE to be part of every PC. > > > > > > Though I must say, there's a few fun IE "quirks" that I would miss and > > could > > > no longer use if an engine switch was made. (IE's failed URL parsing > FTW) > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:45 PM, <gamead...@127001.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I'd argue that MS is kept pretty good with security fixes, but I'd > also > > >> argue that that misses the bigger point. The reason people don't like > > >> using > > >> IE for showing the MOTD is because of the range of versions people are > > >> using. It follows that people aren't keeping it updated. From THAT, > it > > >> follows that you don't even need a _new_ exploit. Though the downside > > of > > >> including a different rendering engine with Steam AND keeping it > updated > > is > > >> a much bigger testing burden; swings and roundabouts. > > >> > > >> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux- > > >>> boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Newlove > > >>> Sent: 04 June 2009 22:27 > > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > > >>> > > >>> Indeed, and what's up with Steams constant I/O usage even when it's > > >>> supposed to be in idle? > > >>> > > >>> My biggest beef with IE in Steam is security. We all know IE is not > > >>> know for it's high security and it continue to be the most targeted > > >>> browser and favorite entry point of malware. Using IE made sense when > > >>> we just had the store using it. It also made sense in the community > > >>> tab. But using IE for rendering servers MOTD screens is crazy for me > > >>> since they can be pointed to anything and the in-game browser that > can > > >>> also be navigated to any page. > > >>> > > >>> It's just a question of time before things go to shit. What if some > > >>> clever hacker, or even scriptkiddie, decides next time there's a > major > > >>> IE exploit available, could be for IE6, IE7, IE8 or all of them, it > > >>> doesn't matter, to set up a bunch of TF2 server with stolen server > > >>> community names, hacked player count and point the MOTD to a site > with > > >>> the exploit code and payload? Huh? That would just be great > publicity, > > >>> imagine all the stolen Steam logins, paypal accounts and credit card > > >>> numbers. > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Yatin Vadhia<yatinvad...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I also think that the Steam client needs to lose some "fat". In it's > > >>>> current state I find that it's far too bloated and is far to > resource > > >>>> intensive. > > >>>> > > >>>> I know a lot of people who chose not to activate games through Steam > > >>>> for this reason. > > >>>> > > >>>> By moving to a different browser, they could also cater for Macs, > and > > >>>> if they pull this off, they would quickly dominate the Mac gaming > > >>>> Market. I know there are many issues with this, but Valves own > > >>>> > > >>> content > > >>> > > >>>> would be incredible on it's own. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 17:35, Saul Rennison <saul.renni...@gmail.com> > > >>>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>>> tl;dr the whole topic but I've investigated this issue before, > after > > >>>>> scanning the Source Engine leak, I saw a folder called *QHTM* in > the > > >>>>> *VGUI*folder. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> *QHTM* seems like entirely it's own engine, it's very lightweight > > >>>>> and small: > > >>>>> http://www.gipsysoft.com/qhtm/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2009/6/4 ics <i...@ics-base.net> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Regarding P2P, there is no need for it (yet) because Steam content > > >>>>>> servers seem to be able to cope with current need of bandwidth > just > > >>>>>> fine. I looked them time to time on free TF2 weekend when a lot > of > > >>>>>> players got on downloading TF2 and there was around 40%-50% use on > > >>>>>> them > > >>>>>> globally at peak times, if you count them all together. Some > > >>>>>> > > >>> content > > >>> > > >>>>>> servers at some countries were on quite heavy use but still worked > > >>>>>> pretty fine, if you believe the graphs on Steam website. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I also manage to dl these days 1MB/s - 1,9 MB/s compared to the > old > > >>>>>> days > > >>>>>> 20-90KB/s from Steam content servers. Some files come slower but > > >>>>>> thats > > >>>>>> propably due to their smaller filesize and their count (a lots of > > >>>>>> small > > >>>>>> files). Plus all the content is packed up so it saves some > > >>>>>> > > >>> bandwidth > > >>> > > >>>>>> too. I personally like the current system over P2P a lot. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> However, if there is one thing to improve with the current system, > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>> would be the content servers managing server-side updates. At the > > >>>>>> most > > >>>>>> urgent time when update is out and everyone is downloading the > > >>>>>> > > >>> latest > > >>> > > >>>>>> files to their servers, there is often a lot of "connection reset" > > >>>>>> messages and downloading the patch hangs a lot before it even > > >>>>>> > > >>> starts. > > >>> > > >>>>>> -ics > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> David Kellaway kirjoitti: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 2009/6/4 Roman Hatsiev <otst...@gmail.com>: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Sure thing, this is a key issue of Steam. IE is evil so P2P > > >>>>>>>> > > >>> content > > >>> > > >>>>>>>> distribution, better server browser and other minor features can > > >>>>>>>> wait > > >>>>>>>> till we finish the holy quest of removing IE dependency from > > >>>>>>>> > > >>> Steam. > > >>> > > >>>>>>>> Yeah! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There's really no need to troll this discussion. There are > > >>>>>>> > > >>> numerous > > >>> > > >>>>>>> reasons why swapping out IE would be a good idea that aren't > > >>>>>>> "Micro$oft are evil!!" kneejerks: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> - Control over which plugins can be run and at what privilege > > >>>>>>> > > >>> level > > >>> > > >>>>>>> (great for security) > > >>>>>>> - Guaranteed consistent rendering behaviour > > >>>>>>> - Increased performance > > >>>>>>> - More features (like rounded corners via CSS) > > >>>>>>> - Support for users who don't have IE installed or available on > > >>>>>>> their > > >>>>>>> PC (they do exist!) > > >>>>>>> - Easier support for guys running Steam on Wine etc. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Since Valve don't seem to be doing anything big with the platform > > >>>>>>> > > >>> or > > >>> > > >>>>>>> community right now, this would be a good thing to focus on. P2P > > >>>>>>> > > >>> is > > >>> > > >>>>>>> mostly pointless when Valve have a world-class server network to > > >>>>>>> handle games (I routinely get 1.2mbps and up from Steam) and > > >>>>>>> > > >>> custom > > >>> > > >>>>>>> content is available from dozens of sources (not to mention > FastDL > > >>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>> servers), and there isn't really anything else I can see that > > >>>>>>> warrants > > >>>>>>> updating (except maybe giving the server browser more "power > user" > > >>>>>>> features like advanced filtering). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>>> archives, > > >>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> - Saul. > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>> archives, please visit: > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>> > > >>> archives, please visit: > > >>> > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
