Under Windows 7, "uninstalling" IE just removes iexplore.exe On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, DontWannaName! <ad...@topnotchclan.com>wrote:
> Well if you go to the news page from in Steam and click the "Steam Adds > Weekly Top Sellers List and Current Specials > List<http://store.steampowered.com/news/2559/>" > url in the news column there is an rss url that opens up the actual xml > file > code in Steam, not the RSS feed. Perhaps this is a setting in IE I set but > I > doubt it. Anyone else? Kinda proves our point if its true. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Oh fine then. :/ > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Joachim Sehlstedt <u...@newstyledata.net > > >wrote: > > > > > Even after you uninstall IE in Windows 7 the dlls that handle the > > > rendering is still there because so many 3rd party applications uses > > > them to render help files and such. So yes they can still expect it to > > > work even if you uninstall it, it's just the gui you uninstall. > > > > > > 1nsane wrote: > > > > Windows 7 has an option to remove IE as part of windows features. > > There's > > > > nothing to prevent oems (what with those fun lawsuits), especially > > those > > > in > > > > Europe from removing IE and bundling say Firefox and Opera. > > > > > > > > Valve can no longer expect IE to be part of every PC. > > > > > > > > Though I must say, there's a few fun IE "quirks" that I would miss > and > > > could > > > > no longer use if an engine switch was made. (IE's failed URL parsing > > FTW) > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:45 PM, <gamead...@127001.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> I'd argue that MS is kept pretty good with security fixes, but I'd > > also > > > >> argue that that misses the bigger point. The reason people don't > like > > > >> using > > > >> IE for showing the MOTD is because of the range of versions people > are > > > >> using. It follows that people aren't keeping it updated. From > THAT, > > it > > > >> follows that you don't even need a _new_ exploit. Though the > downside > > > of > > > >> including a different rendering engine with Steam AND keeping it > > updated > > > is > > > >> a much bigger testing burden; swings and roundabouts. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux- > > > >>> boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Newlove > > > >>> Sent: 04 June 2009 22:27 > > > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New browser engine support for steam? > > > >>> > > > >>> Indeed, and what's up with Steams constant I/O usage even when it's > > > >>> supposed to be in idle? > > > >>> > > > >>> My biggest beef with IE in Steam is security. We all know IE is not > > > >>> know for it's high security and it continue to be the most targeted > > > >>> browser and favorite entry point of malware. Using IE made sense > when > > > >>> we just had the store using it. It also made sense in the community > > > >>> tab. But using IE for rendering servers MOTD screens is crazy for > me > > > >>> since they can be pointed to anything and the in-game browser that > > can > > > >>> also be navigated to any page. > > > >>> > > > >>> It's just a question of time before things go to shit. What if some > > > >>> clever hacker, or even scriptkiddie, decides next time there's a > > major > > > >>> IE exploit available, could be for IE6, IE7, IE8 or all of them, it > > > >>> doesn't matter, to set up a bunch of TF2 server with stolen server > > > >>> community names, hacked player count and point the MOTD to a site > > with > > > >>> the exploit code and payload? Huh? That would just be great > > publicity, > > > >>> imagine all the stolen Steam logins, paypal accounts and credit > card > > > >>> numbers. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Yatin Vadhia<yatinvad...@gmail.com > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I also think that the Steam client needs to lose some "fat". In > it's > > > >>>> current state I find that it's far too bloated and is far to > > resource > > > >>>> intensive. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I know a lot of people who chose not to activate games through > Steam > > > >>>> for this reason. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> By moving to a different browser, they could also cater for Macs, > > and > > > >>>> if they pull this off, they would quickly dominate the Mac gaming > > > >>>> Market. I know there are many issues with this, but Valves own > > > >>>> > > > >>> content > > > >>> > > > >>>> would be incredible on it's own. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 17:35, Saul Rennison <saul.renni...@gmail.com> > > > >>>> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>>> tl;dr the whole topic but I've investigated this issue before, > > after > > > >>>>> scanning the Source Engine leak, I saw a folder called *QHTM* in > > the > > > >>>>> *VGUI*folder. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> *QHTM* seems like entirely it's own engine, it's very lightweight > > > >>>>> and small: > > > >>>>> http://www.gipsysoft.com/qhtm/ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> 2009/6/4 ics <i...@ics-base.net> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Regarding P2P, there is no need for it (yet) because Steam > content > > > >>>>>> servers seem to be able to cope with current need of bandwidth > > just > > > >>>>>> fine. I looked them time to time on free TF2 weekend when a lot > > of > > > >>>>>> players got on downloading TF2 and there was around 40%-50% use > on > > > >>>>>> them > > > >>>>>> globally at peak times, if you count them all together. Some > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> content > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> servers at some countries were on quite heavy use but still > worked > > > >>>>>> pretty fine, if you believe the graphs on Steam website. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I also manage to dl these days 1MB/s - 1,9 MB/s compared to the > > old > > > >>>>>> days > > > >>>>>> 20-90KB/s from Steam content servers. Some files come slower but > > > >>>>>> thats > > > >>>>>> propably due to their smaller filesize and their count (a lots > of > > > >>>>>> small > > > >>>>>> files). Plus all the content is packed up so it saves some > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> bandwidth > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> too. I personally like the current system over P2P a lot. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> However, if there is one thing to improve with the current > system, > > > >>>>>> that > > > >>>>>> would be the content servers managing server-side updates. At > the > > > >>>>>> most > > > >>>>>> urgent time when update is out and everyone is downloading the > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> latest > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> files to their servers, there is often a lot of "connection > reset" > > > >>>>>> messages and downloading the patch hangs a lot before it even > > > >>>>>> > > > >>> starts. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>> -ics > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> David Kellaway kirjoitti: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> 2009/6/4 Roman Hatsiev <otst...@gmail.com>: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Sure thing, this is a key issue of Steam. IE is evil so P2P > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> content > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> distribution, better server browser and other minor features > can > > > >>>>>>>> wait > > > >>>>>>>> till we finish the holy quest of removing IE dependency from > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>> Steam. > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>> Yeah! > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> There's really no need to troll this discussion. There are > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> numerous > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> reasons why swapping out IE would be a good idea that aren't > > > >>>>>>> "Micro$oft are evil!!" kneejerks: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> - Control over which plugins can be run and at what privilege > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> level > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> (great for security) > > > >>>>>>> - Guaranteed consistent rendering behaviour > > > >>>>>>> - Increased performance > > > >>>>>>> - More features (like rounded corners via CSS) > > > >>>>>>> - Support for users who don't have IE installed or available on > > > >>>>>>> their > > > >>>>>>> PC (they do exist!) > > > >>>>>>> - Easier support for guys running Steam on Wine etc. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Since Valve don't seem to be doing anything big with the > platform > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> or > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> community right now, this would be a good thing to focus on. > P2P > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> is > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> mostly pointless when Valve have a world-class server network > to > > > >>>>>>> handle games (I routinely get 1.2mbps and up from Steam) and > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> custom > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>> content is available from dozens of sources (not to mention > > FastDL > > > >>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>> servers), and there isn't really anything else I can see that > > > >>>>>>> warrants > > > >>>>>>> updating (except maybe giving the server browser more "power > > user" > > > >>>>>>> features like advanced filtering). > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>> archives, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> please visit: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>> archives, > > > >>>>>> please visit: > > > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>> - Saul. > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>> archives, please visit: > > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>> > > > >>> archives, please visit: > > > >>> > > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > >>> please visit: > > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > >> please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux