Hey, I didn’t start teaching VALVe employees how to code. It’s easy for you to say. Did anyone of you release your own game engine? Maybe two? You people started the flame about “Hey VALVe, drop all your HL2 sources and rewrite it in C++”. And believe me, your comparing isn’t fear… Releasing COD4 means that COD2 is dead? Then Counter-Strike should be removed from steam game list, :-) because we have orangeBox. So, going back to the ethics, VALVe is doing a great job by supporting ALL of their games. Maybe the support isn’t so fast and their update priority list is… strange. But they are supporting ALL of their products. Even the 10-year old. I think that employees will see this spam and react to it. Do some global engine patching and everything will be ok. You say that someone has contacted them. What do we mean by contacting? Maybe someone mailed cont...@valvesoftware.com about this bug and what? I bet that they get thousands of mails per day. It isn’t fear to say that they aware of the problem if they didn’t say so.
Anyway, technical mailing list is not a place to flame and learn programmers how to code. :-) Evaldas, GameConnect, Lithuania www.gameconnect.lt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format String Vulnerability >I think our discusion will never end with our argumentations. iam > talking about ethic, and you talk about budget and resources ;) > At least, if you have a problems with a program you have to apply > pressure on the company how made it if you want fixes. > Thats the point of support. And COD2 is dead. After COD4 the mainstream > doesnt care about COD2. At least, COD4 is just a update. > Why fixing Windows 2000 if Windows XP doesnt have the bug anymore and > the support is expired? > > Finally, the current discussion is around latest games, and not stuff > which is 10 years old. > So, stop discuss about things which doesnt apply to the mainsteam =) > > Best regards, > Stefan Popp > > Evaldas Žilinskas schrieb: >> I wouldn’t call COD2 a game without bugs. :) When did we see last update? >> Oh >> yes… 3 years ago. :-) And talking about Microsoft… Their support is quite >> interesting. You call, they tell you how to use your control panel, but >> when >> we go back to the part, when bugs and exploits must be fixed… They decide >> directly from air witch exploits must be fixed and witch will remain for >> ever to deal with. We have Windows Vista, everyone is crying, people are >> dying… and what? We will get new Windows product, witch will cost money. >> Vista will remain slow working with its bugs and other things people paid >> money for. Everyone has a politics to do their commercial. I don’t blame >> Valve… >> >> Evaldas, >> GameConnect, Lithuania >> www.gameconnect.lt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >> <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >> String >> Vulnerability >> >> >> >>> Thats true ;) >>> >>> Best example: SAP =D >>> >>> Oliver Salzburg schrieb: >>> >>>> Well, some people just need 10 years to get their shit right... >>>> >>>> Evaldas Žilinskas wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Oh… Show me other company that still supports 10 year old games like >>>>> Half-Life, by providing community integration, Russian walk prevention >>>>> and >>>>> exploit fixing updates? Maybe EA :-)? These things cost money and they >>>>> are >>>>> not responsible because of some of dumb players, trying to use found >>>>> game >>>>> exploits as a cheat or as a way to hack something. They do their best >>>>> and I’m >>>>> sure about that. More customers you have, more exploits and bugs will >>>>> be >>>>> found. And… making a dialogue with everyone – it’s impossible. I own a >>>>> company with only a few thousand customers and even then it’s hard to >>>>> maintain everyone. How many customers VALVe has? >>>>> >>>>> players, >>>>> server admins, >>>>> source engine owners, >>>>> third party mod developers, >>>>> cybercafé owners, >>>>> content resellers, >>>>> steam store sellers… >>>>> >>>>> Hey Alfred, I’ve found a bug, answer me! Believe me – NOT so easy! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Evaldas, >>>>> GameConnect, Lithuania >>>>> www.gameconnect.lt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> >>>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >>>>> <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:37 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>>> String >>>>> Vulnerability >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Wheres the point? >>>>>> >>>>>> Its their product, and they have to support the product. If i code >>>>>> any >>>>>> application and i wait 4 weeks (or more :P) until i fix anything for >>>>>> my >>>>>> customers, i can go directly to die. >>>>>> I never said valve didnt support their products, but the point is, >>>>>> how >>>>>> they do that. And the royal way of support is fast fixing of bugs, >>>>>> and >>>>>> if providing sdk's, updating the materials around. And currently i >>>>>> think >>>>>> Valve makes bad support. Maybe, they kicked some programmers or >>>>>> somethin? But as customer i didnt care about their resources, i only >>>>>> care about theire reaction times if i got problems ;) or? >>>>>> >>>>>> Saint K. schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Imo VALVe is still the only one who cares and interacts so much with >>>>>>> their community. Yes they have their flaws, and they can be ugly at >>>>>>> times, but hey, what other dev mails you straight away when you >>>>>>> report >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> bug to resolve it? So far this only happends to me with VALVe. From >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> devs u should thank god on your knees to ever get any response at >>>>>>> all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The games are worth their money, and the suport on their games is >>>>>>> insanely long. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> VALVe still has and will continue to have my support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saint K. >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Stefan >>>>>>> Popp >>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 18 augustus 2009 20:51 >>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>>>>> String Vulnerability >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The wish is currently present ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Due a lot of stuff valve didnt managed the right way ;) >>>>>>> 1. bad code and many ways to crash servers from client side >>>>>>> 2. changing engine stuff without telling plugin developer about >>>>>>> changes >>>>>>> or any new sdk's >>>>>>> 3. no statements about this and a lot of other points ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> there are a lot of reasons why i wish to get my money back, but i >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> hope that valve goes back to their roots and care about theire >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam Nowacki schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You'd wish you never bought any Valve games the day this happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stefan Popp wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this must be corrected ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -"Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;)" >>>>>>>>> +"Valve should start coding c++ with streams ;)" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp schrieb: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;) >>>>>>>>>> Who works with printfs today? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope Valve will fix the whole source to prevent overflows. >>>>>>>>>> C++ is you friend, not old C stuff... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Claudio Beretta schrieb: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, anyone knows if a workaround is available? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW: aren't "security researchers" supposed to contact the >>>>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>>> releasing 0-day exploits?This is the 2nd 0-day exploy from >>>>>>>>>>> aluigi >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>>>> weeks -.- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>>>> <mrh9...@lanaddict.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A friend forwarded me this info regarding a vulnerability. I >>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>>>>>> test this at the moment, but it does look like it is possible. >>>>>>>>>>>> Thought I >>>>>>>>>>>> would get this out to the community before others start using >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> to cause >>>>>>>>>>>> havoc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2296 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/sourcefs-adv.txt >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: >>>>>>> 08/18/09 06:03:00 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
