Maybe :) I guess we start to understand what each other means :) Let us discuss next time with a litre bavarian beer and "Weißwürste". I pay ;)
- Back to technical topics - Best regards, Stefan Popp Evaldas, GameConnect schrieb: > Hey, I didn’t start teaching VALVe employees how to code. It’s easy for you > to say. Did anyone of you release your own game engine? Maybe two? You > people started the flame about “Hey VALVe, drop all your HL2 sources and > rewrite it in C++”. And believe me, your comparing isn’t fear… Releasing > COD4 means that COD2 is dead? Then Counter-Strike should be removed from > steam game list, :-) because we have orangeBox. So, going back to the > ethics, VALVe is doing a great job by supporting ALL of their games. Maybe > the support isn’t so fast and their update priority list is… strange. But > they are supporting ALL of their products. Even the 10-year old. I think > that employees will see this spam and react to it. Do some global engine > patching and everything will be ok. You say that someone has contacted them. > What do we mean by contacting? Maybe someone mailed > cont...@valvesoftware.com about this bug and what? I bet that they get > thousands of mails per day. It isn’t fear to say that they aware of the > problem if they didn’t say so. > > Anyway, technical mailing list is not a place to flame and learn programmers > how to code. :-) > > Evaldas, > GameConnect, Lithuania > www.gameconnect.lt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:52 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format String > Vulnerability > > > >> I think our discusion will never end with our argumentations. iam >> talking about ethic, and you talk about budget and resources ;) >> At least, if you have a problems with a program you have to apply >> pressure on the company how made it if you want fixes. >> Thats the point of support. And COD2 is dead. After COD4 the mainstream >> doesnt care about COD2. At least, COD4 is just a update. >> Why fixing Windows 2000 if Windows XP doesnt have the bug anymore and >> the support is expired? >> >> Finally, the current discussion is around latest games, and not stuff >> which is 10 years old. >> So, stop discuss about things which doesnt apply to the mainsteam =) >> >> Best regards, >> Stefan Popp >> >> Evaldas Žilinskas schrieb: >> >>> I wouldn’t call COD2 a game without bugs. :) When did we see last update? >>> Oh >>> yes… 3 years ago. :-) And talking about Microsoft… Their support is quite >>> interesting. You call, they tell you how to use your control panel, but >>> when >>> we go back to the part, when bugs and exploits must be fixed… They decide >>> directly from air witch exploits must be fixed and witch will remain for >>> ever to deal with. We have Windows Vista, everyone is crying, people are >>> dying… and what? We will get new Windows product, witch will cost money. >>> Vista will remain slow working with its bugs and other things people paid >>> money for. Everyone has a politics to do their commercial. I don’t blame >>> Valve… >>> >>> Evaldas, >>> GameConnect, Lithuania >>> www.gameconnect.lt >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >>> <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:59 AM >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>> String >>> Vulnerability >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thats true ;) >>>> >>>> Best example: SAP =D >>>> >>>> Oliver Salzburg schrieb: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, some people just need 10 years to get their shit right... >>>>> >>>>> Evaldas Žilinskas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Oh… Show me other company that still supports 10 year old games like >>>>>> Half-Life, by providing community integration, Russian walk prevention >>>>>> and >>>>>> exploit fixing updates? Maybe EA :-)? These things cost money and they >>>>>> are >>>>>> not responsible because of some of dumb players, trying to use found >>>>>> game >>>>>> exploits as a cheat or as a way to hack something. They do their best >>>>>> and I’m >>>>>> sure about that. More customers you have, more exploits and bugs will >>>>>> be >>>>>> found. And… making a dialogue with everyone – it’s impossible. I own a >>>>>> company with only a few thousand customers and even then it’s hard to >>>>>> maintain everyone. How many customers VALVe has? >>>>>> >>>>>> players, >>>>>> server admins, >>>>>> source engine owners, >>>>>> third party mod developers, >>>>>> cybercafé owners, >>>>>> content resellers, >>>>>> steam store sellers… >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Alfred, I’ve found a bug, answer me! Believe me – NOT so easy! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Evaldas, >>>>>> GameConnect, Lithuania >>>>>> www.gameconnect.lt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Stefan Popp" <m...@stefanpopp.de> >>>>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" >>>>>> <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:37 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>>>> String >>>>>> Vulnerability >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wheres the point? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its their product, and they have to support the product. If i code >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> application and i wait 4 weeks (or more :P) until i fix anything for >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> customers, i can go directly to die. >>>>>>> I never said valve didnt support their products, but the point is, >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> they do that. And the royal way of support is fast fixing of bugs, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> if providing sdk's, updating the materials around. And currently i >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> Valve makes bad support. Maybe, they kicked some programmers or >>>>>>> somethin? But as customer i didnt care about their resources, i only >>>>>>> care about theire reaction times if i got problems ;) or? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saint K. schrieb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Imo VALVe is still the only one who cares and interacts so much with >>>>>>>> their community. Yes they have their flaws, and they can be ugly at >>>>>>>> times, but hey, what other dev mails you straight away when you >>>>>>>> report >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bug to resolve it? So far this only happends to me with VALVe. From >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> devs u should thank god on your knees to ever get any response at >>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The games are worth their money, and the suport on their games is >>>>>>>> insanely long. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VALVe still has and will continue to have my support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Saint K. >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>>>>>>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>> Stefan >>>>>>>> Popp >>>>>>>> Sent: dinsdag 18 augustus 2009 20:51 >>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Valve Source Engine Console Message Format >>>>>>>> String Vulnerability >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The wish is currently present ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Due a lot of stuff valve didnt managed the right way ;) >>>>>>>> 1. bad code and many ways to crash servers from client side >>>>>>>> 2. changing engine stuff without telling plugin developer about >>>>>>>> changes >>>>>>>> or any new sdk's >>>>>>>> 3. no statements about this and a lot of other points ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> there are a lot of reasons why i wish to get my money back, but i >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> hope that valve goes back to their roots and care about theire >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam Nowacki schrieb: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You'd wish you never bought any Valve games the day this happens. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but this must be corrected ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -"Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;)" >>>>>>>>>> +"Valve should start coding c++ with streams ;)" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp schrieb: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Valve should start coding c++ with steams ;) >>>>>>>>>>> Who works with printfs today? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope Valve will fix the whole source to prevent overflows. >>>>>>>>>>> C++ is you friend, not old C stuff... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Popp >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Claudio Beretta schrieb: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, anyone knows if a workaround is available? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW: aren't "security researchers" supposed to contact the >>>>>>>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>>>> releasing 0-day exploits?This is the 2nd 0-day exploy from >>>>>>>>>>>> aluigi >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks -.- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>>>>> <mrh9...@lanaddict.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A friend forwarded me this info regarding a vulnerability. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> am >>>>>>>>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>>>>>>>> test this at the moment, but it does look like it is possible. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought I >>>>>>>>>>>>> would get this out to the community before others start using >>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> to cause >>>>>>>>>>>>> havoc. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2296 >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aluigi.altervista.org/adv/sourcefs-adv.txt >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Morgan Humes >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>>>>> Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.58/2309 - Release Date: >>>>>>>> 08/18/09 06:03:00 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
