If I may, the only reason we had 18 servers up was the demand. I was initially planning to stop at 2 and maybe one with a cycle of all halloween maps. However, when they were filling within minutes of being put up, I put up as many as I could so folks could play.
Oh, and we don't run ads of any kind on our servers save text ones directing the players to our community - so there was no profit motivation whatsoever. I still think something else may be up; if there are only ~75 valve servers it is indeed unlikely to be the sole cause of traffic decreases. Yet I also don't think it is solely people seeking ad revenue either; if that was the case, the bulk of those servers would have been up on day one, vying to be some of the first ones up and to get as much traffic as possible. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10/31/13, Daniel Barreiro <smelly.feet.you.h...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the update? To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> Received: Thursday, October 31, 2013, 3:23 PM http://tf2stats.net/map/plr_hightower_event TF2stats is reporting over 2300 servers running the map and about 17,500 people playing it. That's about 7.6 players per server. If Valve only put up 76 servers, they are not the ones taking the traffic. It's the loads of community owners trying to get the traffic. Looking at the server list, there are a ton of clans that all put up 25+ servers running the map, all running ads. Even someone in this mailing thread stated that none of their 18 servers were getting traffic. I don't want to turn this into an ad debate, but it appears to me that there are a lot of people out there just hoping to profit off of the traffic from the update. I'm also seeing a ton of 32/33 slot servers using dynamic slot hiding to get them full with quickplay and then up it to get more people. On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Bjorn Wielens <uniac...@yahoo.ca> wrote: > If the existence of the valve servers is the sole cause of the massive > decrease in traffic to communities... It poses a rather large issue for > those communities. > It means that the sheer number of valve's quickplay-eligible servers is > outshadowing _many_ communities (as judging by the messages in this thread), > and the server market is being over-saturated to the point where > communities basically have a hard time getting a foothold unless there is > an established playerbase > that is large enough to sustain the server with very little traffic influx. > > Ultimately, it means communities likely won't bother with event servers as > a result of no traffic anyway... and this will rebound very rapidly in the > opposite direction. > I thought the entire goal of quickplay was to help get traffic _to_ > communities and help players discover them (for those that keep their > servers within a set of parameters)... not "keep all the traffic for Valve > servers". > > I realize this sounds pretty scathing , but it is something I think we (as > community server operators) need to be seriously aware of - for the day > that no more communities exist to keep the hat market up, will be the day > TF2 truly dies :D > > > > ________________________________ > From: Fletcher Dunn <fletch...@valvesoftware.com> > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list < > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > Cc: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list ( > h...@list.valvesoftware.com)" <h...@list.valvesoftware.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:30:23 PM > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the update? > > > There were no Valve event servers running until last night. > > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Barreiro > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:13 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the update? > > Never run any bots, all of my servers were full yesterday and are > completely dead last night until now. > Only change was the update. > One of the servers wasn't registered until this event (converted it from a > custom server temporarily just to get a 24/7 helltower server for the > week), so it was a brand new ID. > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Calvin Judy <evo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > None of my servers are running any sort of bots, and they all dropped > > quickplay traffic completely last night. > > > > Can you double check to verify this update didn't create an additional > > issue, as it sure does look like something is wrong. > > > > ~6000 players in 24h to 0 in 12h, doesn't really make any sense. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fletcher Dunn" < > > fletch...@valvesoftware.com> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > > <hlds_linux@list.** valvesoftware.com > > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>> > > Cc: <h...@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the update? > > > > > > We recently fixed a bug that has been giving servers running bots an > >> unfair and unintended quickplay scoring advantage. This could change > >> traffic patterns. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com< > hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>[mailto: > >> hlds_linux-bounces@**list.valvesoftware.com<hlds_linux-bounces@list.v > >> alvesoftware.com>] > >> On Behalf Of Marco Padovan > >> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:52 AM > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the update? > >> > >> Same here... seeing the same issue on 12servers.... all where full > >> yesterday :) > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Padraig Fahy <padraig.f...@gmail.com > >> >wrote: > >> > >> Server was full last night before update..but no one has been on > >> since > >>> the update. > >>> > >>> Thankfully I am not the only one with this issue! > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:41 PM, thesupremecommander < > >>> thesupremec...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > Seeing problems on my end as well. A server holding at 24/24 > >>> > constant before the update has seen all of its traffic vanish even > >>> > with a few players to seed QuickPlay traffic. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Calvin Judy <evo...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > VAC secure mode is activated. > >>> > > Connection to game coordinator established. > >>> > > Current item schema is up-to-date with version 553324E3. > >>> > > Received auth challenge; signing into gameserver account... > >>> > > L 10/31/2013 - 06:01:08: Received auth challenge; signing into > >>> gameserver > >>> > > account... > >>> > > L 10/31/2013 - 06:01:08: Loading map "plr_hightower_event" > >>> > > Game server authentication: SUCCESS! Standing: Good. Trend: > >>> > > Upward Fast L 10/31/2013 - 06:01:08: Game server authentication: > >>> > > SUCCESS! > > >>> > Standing: > >>> > > Good. Trend: Upward Fast > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > I'm not seeing any bad ratings on mine, but quickplay traffic > >>> > > just vanished. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lambda" > >>> > > <lambdace...@gmail.com> > >>> > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > <hlds_linux@list. > >>> ** > >>> > > valvesoftware.com > >>> > > <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftware.com<hlds_linux@list.valvesoftwa > >>> > > re.com> > >>> >> > >>> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:29 AM > >>> > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the > >>> update? > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Same here, i checked the quickplay status and it went from "Good" > >>> > > to > >>> > "Bad" > >>> > >> out of a sudden, funny thing is that the client command to list > >>> > >> the identities and the status says that they're all good but > >>> > >> upon server launch it says that its "Bad" > >>> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> 2013/10/31 Calvin Judy <evo...@gmail.com> > >>> > >> > >>> > >> http://i.imgur.com/bejbG1m.png > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> There has been a significant drop in quickplay traffic on our > >>> > >>> servers > >>> > as > >>> > >>> well. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pettit" < > >>> > pettit.t...@gmail.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > >>> > >>> <hlds_linux@list. > >>> > ** > >>> > >>> valvesoftware.com > >>> > >>> <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftwa**re.com<http://valvesoftware.co > >>> > >>> m> > >>> < > >>> > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.**com<hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware. > >>> > com> > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 11:13 AM > >>> > >>> Subject: [hlds_linux] Is sv_tags "event247" broken after the > > >>> > >>> >>> > >>> update? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I noticed Halloween servers running plr_hightower_event are > >>> > >>> no > >>> longer > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> receiving quickplay traffic after the last update. > >>> > >>>> Is anyone else having the same issue? 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