Point taken. Everyone has different aptitudes. It isn't often politically correct to say so, but there are some people I've met who seem to never understand simple concepts of music, or mathematics, or even language. It doesn't mean that they are dumb, just that those subjects are just not what they are good in. -William In a message dated 2/11/2011 6:26:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
Hello William, I agree with what you have said, but oppose one thing: if there is no talent even the hardest work will not produce more than a technical very good executor. Very good ear cannot be acquired, it must be there. Rhythmical feeling can be cultivated but must be there before. Anatomically good facts must exist, but must be cultivated too. A good perception of colors, also the colors of the sound must exist, just needing perfection. If this distinction does not exist, it cannot be built up by no means. You cannot teach a color-blind to distinct mini changes in colors or color relations. (Be relativated: it is possible within certain limitations.) Otherwise, your statement is correct. There are no secrets with musicianship. Recognizing high quality comes from experience & being exposed to high quality. But this is valid not only for the arts, but should be valid for all ways of life. #################################################### Am 11.02.2011 um 12:10 schrieb [email protected]: > I agree with Hans on this. Musicianship is not some ethereal, magical thing > that is mysterious. It's something pretty definite, and something that can > be taught and learned. > > The biggest thing I don't like to hear regarding musicianship is the idea > that it somehow can't be taught. It sort of goes back to a general > epistemology - can you figure something out, or are you going to stand back and say > "gee I don't know", or worse yet, invent an answer that isn't even true > just so you stop looking? > > If we stopped at the ether theory of matter, or astrology, we would have > never figured out how things really worked. Thankfully we didn't. > > With enough hard work, you might very well be the next Radovan or ver > Meulen. Then again, you might not - but it won't happen with a lot of dedication > and a lot of knowledge from those who know how to do it. I liken it to > running a marathon. You may never be the fastest marathon runner in the world. > But, history is rife with people that trained properly of all shapes and > sizes and who ended up running many marathons under three hours. (But, > nobody is going to fault you for not being the next Dennis Brain or Paula > Radcliffe if it doesn't make you happy.) > > -William > > > In a message dated 2/11/2011 5:35:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Musicianship requires a lot: > > very good ear, perhaps acquired perfect pitch, perhaps > superb rhythmic sense > very good objective taste > > plus: listen, listen, listen > plus: store the listened musical pieces well, so to find the data for > reproduction purpose > plus: musical understanding, acquired by reading scores & hear they > realized to sound > the same time, but no musical instrument touched & no record player of any > type turned on. > > plus: understanding the arts in general, developing a sense of symmetry, > progression > & tension & relax; understanding colors & setting them into relation to > acoustical > sensations (sounds). > > plus: performance technique, performance routine, performance discipline > > plus: comprehensive knowledge about the music writing (composing) system, > harmonic > system, bigger phrasing to the mini phrasing. > > plus: being exposed to music from the very early years of life > > A very good teach has all this & is able to transfer it to the students & > motivate them > to follow his or her example, using their brain & phantasy. > > ##################################################################### > Am 11.02.2011 um 10:25 schrieb Lawrence Yates: > >> I'm not sure you can teach musicianship but you can, to a point, teach a >> damn good imitation. I had a colleague who taught some very unmusical > kids >> to produce what sounded like very musical performances - they couldn't > feel >> anything, but they could follow instructions to the letter. Whether that >> ever turned into what I think we are calling musicianship, I don't know. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Lawrence >> >> On 11 February 2011 09:14, Ralph Hall <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Ralph R. Hall >>> [email protected] >>> Ralph R. Hall >>> http://www.brasshausmusic.com >>> >>> I have just written two articles attempting to answer the question: >>> 'Can you teach musicianship'? >>> >> -- >> Lawrenceyates.co.uk >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
