Well Bill, Been there done that for almost 50 years.... 43 in Buffalo.. 6 in San Antonio... a couple in the Shreveport Symphony.. And of coarse the 3rd is NEVER wrong, and in MOST cases when there is a problem in the section who do they blame??? Why the 4th of coarse. It is only now that I am retired that a "few" people are starting to change? fix? some things in the section that I had always "mentioned!!!" as a possible problem.
Hey was it Rodney Dangerfield that said" "Don't get no respect" or something like that. :) That's ok though! Now they have to blame it on someone else... You know like what the REAL problem was all along. :) Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic Retired ________________________________ From: Bill Gross <[email protected]> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 9:59:16 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] middle g on the Bb horn We kind of practice this philosophy in our group. Being the newest member of the group and sitting 4th I get mentored every day. I learned that it's my position in life. Even with the 3rd horn plays the 4th part along with me F in an P passage. Kind of reminds me of an old WWII song about a co-pilot, ". . .my job is remembering what the Captain forgets and I never talk back so I have no regrets." -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hans Pizka Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 12:28 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] middle g on the Bb horn Lawrence, we call that "Team Work". And receiving a correction by a colleague is a privilege as it demonstrates that even ONE person cares about what you do & cares about you. If keeps that in mind (I think, you are doing so), then critics do not hurt, but the contrary, they will help. And, thinking that way, is professional perfect. Lawrence, please see a difference between "semi-pros", as I understand them, and free lancers, like you describe your professionality: teaching & playing regularly without all the social benefit full time hired musicians have. Some players, very good & musical players do not make it into full time engagement with a full time orchestra for many reasons & because of personal preferences anyway. When I addressed "semi-pros" in the past, I meant those reasonable players who live on "half wisdom", without systematic musical education or players with a day job in a very distant field plus 50% conservatory or academic musical education but behaving like 150% academic virtuosos just because they had attended one or more masterclasses by an internationally known soloist. ############################################### Am 07.05.2011 um 23:22 schrieb Lawrence Yates: > Yes, obviously it's important to listen but often other players can hear > things we miss. > > > A confident and mature approach from the entire section is important too - > we are a section, not four players. > > I'm one of Hans's dreaded "semi-pros" - I teach horn for a living and play > as much as I can (although that is going to change very soon). > > I play for an orchestra which records commercial cd's on a fairly regular > basis. We agree as a section that we should forget English politeness and > that if any player has a problem with what another player is doing, we say > so - if someone thinks I'm playing sharp/flat unmusically, then I want to > know and we can fight it out. It's worked so far. > > If we don't all have the confidence in each other to do that, then, when the > section sounds lousy on the cd, no-one will say, "what a crap 3rd horn", > they'll say, "what a crap horn section" and we don't want that - we all need > the cash! > > Cheers, > > Lawrence > -- > Lawrenceyates.co.uk > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.ne t _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
