That's why I've always advocated knowing your harmonic series well, and tuning even harmonics (4, 8) to be in tune. But, then again, I usually know exactly what harmonic I'm on instantly because I trained myself to learn it. So, I know where notes 'naturally' are on MOST (not all) instruments.
Knowing that a note is naturally sharp or flat or 'in tune' isn't enough. Knowing how much it is sharp or flat isn't enough. Listening is what you really have to do - so if you know what partials you're on and know where they lie you'll know where you don't have to work as much and spare you a pain in the rump. There will come a time whether you're an amateur or a pro where who you're playing with won't listen, and if you're not principal you're going to have to tune to the principal regardless because a horn section that's in tune but out of tune with the orchestra is far less noticeable than one that isn't tune to itself. Of course, if you're principal, 3rd or 4th may come in ahead of you and you're the one who is going to have to compromise and adjust. Then again, sometimes you'll not have 'time' to adjust and need to lock into the pitch instantly. Mahler 1 is a great example. You're given a concert A for a while before you play and you just have to instantly lock your entrance in. If you're on 3rd, you might have Saint-saens 3rd symphony and have to be all by yourself and listen to someone else (the trombone I think since it's been a while since I've played it) - and the trombone may not give a rats rear-end about being in tune and one of you is going to have to cave and tune. And, you better hope if it's a solo with a pipe organ that they've tuned the darned thing recently or else all bets are off. My point is - well wait I'm not even sure I have a point. I think I'm just rambling at this point. (I'm just an amateur who hasn't had a playing gig since last December so what do I know.) Enjoy your saturday! -William In a message dated 5/7/2011 4:42:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Your question was inaccurate & unqualified. YOU CANNOT BLOW A HORNS NOTE TO PLACE IF A NOTE IS NOT IN TUNE. YOUR EMBOUCHURE WILL GET USED TO THE OUT OF TUNE NOTE AND CORRECT IT AUTOMATICALLY. BUT IF YOU CHANGE THE HORN, THIS AUTOMATIC CORRECTION WILL REMAIN IN PLACE & THE SAME NOTE WILL BE (to remain with the same sample) TOO SHARP THEN (preconditioned the note be right in place on the new instrument). Sorry, what kind of silly questions or innocent questions. Have you never hear or read anything about the relations of the natural pitches ? Has your teacher never told you something about it ? ############################################################# Am 05.05.2011 um 22:25 schrieb SH: > That wasn't my question Hans. > > Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why playing it on the bb horn if you have it perfect on the f side ???? Use your double as a 4-valve- or 5-valve-horn (stop valve included) ?? >> >> Very simple solution. >> >> Some Bb horns have the middle g as real "wolf-note", even to be heard clearly from (stubborn) >> widely known soloists, females included, CDs included. >> >> ######################################################### >> Am 05.05.2011 um 20:29 schrieb SH: >> >>> I think what I mainly wanted to know is if the change in sound gets any better the more you play the g on the b horn? Why is it that all the other mid notes below g sound much better on the b horn than the g? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Valerie, you used the term "almost". I remember a talk with Rolls-Royce airplane engine engineers >>>> in Kobe/Japan 20 years ago. They talked about the problems their Japanese colleagues had when tuning these most delicate engines & could not master the problems so to call in the British engineers. They (British), suspect about the tools used by the Japanese, asked them: "Did you use the original tools ?" - "Yes, yes, almost, almost !" - "where these tools original Rolls-Royce tools ?", they insisted. "Almost, almost !". - It turned out, the Japanese engineers had used tools, which were metric, while the originals were after the British measurement in fractions of inches. >>>> >>>> So it be with your statement "the middle G sound almost identical". What does "almost identical" mean ? Identical means 100% the same. But for your ears perhaps, but not for the objective listener. It cannot be. If you mean, you can lip it into place, the sound cannot be the same, nor can it be unlipped, as there are different harmonics involved. >>>> >>>> You wrote, that it "feels a little different on both sides of your Merker". Yes, off course, as these are different harmonics. >>>> >>>> If you try a certain note on any horn, you MUST NOT lip it up or down nor correct it by the use of the right hand. >>>> >>>> You can start correcting, after you have explored the particular horn in full first. >>>> >>>> ########################################################## >>>> Am 05.05.2011 um 19:32 schrieb valerie wells: >>>> >>>>> Do you think some of the problems with middle G on the Bb horn may depend on >>>>> the horn? I have trouble centering the tone & pitch of middle G on my >>>>> single Bb horn, but not on the Bb side of my Holton Merker. The tone of >>>>> middle G sounds almost identical, yet "feels" a little different, on both >>>>> sides of my Merker. >>>>> -- >>>>> Valerie Wells >>>>> The Balanced Embouchure Method >>>>> http://bebabe.wordpress.com/ >>>>> http://www.beforhorn.blogspot.com/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> post: [email protected] >>>>> unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> post: [email protected] >>>> unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/schmidhorninst%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/schmidhorninst%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
