Haha! Yeah, I'd assume professionals don't have to think about such things after awhile. I generally don't put a t at the end of my tonguing. What sort of note release do you use, for staccato? Taking in a fast breath at the end of the note? Cutting the airflow completely?
-Bill On Jun 27, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: > My God, you made me think about something I haven't thought about in years. > I > think??? that I use to to to.. or maybe two two two :) Actually I do think I > use to to and tu tu tu. The thing I DON'T do... and I know some are an > advocate of this... is to put a t at the end of the tonguing. Like tut tut > tut. If you are really trying to do very rapid single tonguing, then I > suppose > the tut tut is kind of natural. Maybe???? > > Milton > > Milton Kicklighter > 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic > Retired > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William Bard <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:54:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues > > Milton, I'll try it out. So, for tonguing, do you personally use a "Ta" or > "Tee" > type syllable with your tongue, or more of a "Thu?" I've heard of both but am > always curious to hear people's preferences. Band directors while I was in > middle school and high school always told me "Ta" and I've heard varying > ideas > form horn players. > > -Bill Bard > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: > >> Bill, what happened to me was this: I was doing a lot of mouthpiece >> buzzing... >> >> which I have always done and still do... but had let the tip of my tongue >> move > >> up from the very the bottom of my mouth to right behind my teeth. I had >> done this so gradually that I did not notice the change. But it had a major >> change on my horn sound. >> >> >> Try this: buzz on your mouthpiece and gradually move your tongue up behind >> your >> >> teeth and then back down into your mouth. You should notice a radical >> change >> in >> >> the sound of the buzz. >> >> >> Milton >> >> Milton Kicklighter >> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >> Retired >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: William Bard <[email protected]> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:42:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues >> >> I think the position of the tongue is likely a big factor in this. Some >> days, >> my >> >> tonguing feels great and the easiest thing in the world, and other days it >> feels >> >> like a rock that I'm having to lug back and forth in my mouth. Not easy at >> all. >> >> I'm hoping this will clear up during college and in the years after, as I >> gain > >> more consistency. I can buzz without the mouthpiece, but I have a VERY tough >> time doing so. It's difficult to actually create pitches I want, without the >> mouthpiece. >> >> >> -William Bard >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: >> >>> Don't forget the position of the tongue when you are playing. I got into >>> real >> >> >>> trouble a few years back not paying attention to the position of the tongue >>> when >>> >>> I was playing. Years ago I found that leaking air for me was to much >>> pressure >> >> >>> and not enough muscle control. Can you form a embouchure and buzz without >>> the >> >> >>> mouthpiece? Or do you pinch your lips together when you try to buzz? >>> >>> >>> Milton >>> >>> Milton Kicklighter >>> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >>> Retired >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: William Bard <[email protected]> >>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:05:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues >>> >>> The edges are closed tightly, yes. And thanks for the suggestion about the >>> Italian language! I'll definitely look into that. Thanks. >>> >>> -William Bard >>> >>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: >>> >>>> William, are the edges of your lips (embouchure) closed tightly, so air >>>> cannot >>> >>> >>>> escape there ??? >>>> Next, do not use that much air. Do not blow air into the horn actively. >>>> Better, >>>> >>>> >>>> just release air >>>> according to pitch, dynamic etc. >>>> Third, study Italian language, to learn about clear vowels, absolutely >>>> clear > >>>> vowels, and clear consonants. You will wonder, how that would improve your >>>> playing, special tongue action. >>>> >>>> Good luck ! >>>> ################################################# >>>> Am 27.06.2011 um 04:38 schrieb William Bard: >>>> >>>>> I've been playing the horn some seven years, having just graduated high >>>>> school, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and I will begin attending the Eastman School of Music this fall for a >>>>> degree >>> >>>>> in >>>>> >>>>> Horn Performance. However, before I get up there and start school, I >>>>> really > >>>>> thought I should ask the members of this board for some advice on an >>>>> issue (I >>> >>> >>>>> think it's an issue...) I've been noticing lately in my playing. >>>>> >>>>> Back in February I had a lesson with Rick Solis out in Cleveland, and he >>>>> pointed out that often times, when I articulate, it sounds almost as >>>>> though the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> tongue is rebounding, or something is happening to make the tonguing not >>>>> quite >>>> >>>> >>>>> so clear and more blatty sounding. I've especially noticed this when I >>>>> play > >>>>> loud >>>>> >>>>> or technically difficult passages. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He and Rich King both pointed out to me in my audition for the Cleveland >>>>> Institute of Music that it was something I really have to work on and fix >>>>> over >>>> >>>> >>>>> the next few years; otherwise it could spell big problems for my playing. >>>>> They >>>> >>>> >>>>> said it will "hopefully go away" over time, but this still really worries >> me. >>>>> >>>>> In addition, I can't help but notice an extra sort of buzz to my sound, >>>>> when I >>>> >>>> >>>>> play. At times, it is even very airy sounding. I can't figure out yet if >>>>> this >>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> my horn that is vibrating ever so slightly along with the pitches I'm >>>>> playing, >>>> >>>> >>>>> or if this is an internal sound that I'm hearing as the note vibrates >>>>> through >>> >>>>> my >>>>> >>>>> mouth and possibly through my teeth, or what the heck this is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Obviously, when I take the horn away and buzz on the mouthpiece, it's not >>>>> just >>>> >>>> >>>>> the sound of the note I hear, as I can also hear the air flow moving >>>>> through >> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> mouthpiece. Is tongue placement or something else possibly amplifying the >>>>> airflow or sound of my buzz, so that it becomes noticeable IN ADDITION to >>>>> the >>> >>> >>>>> sound of the horn, itself? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice regarding this? Or, >>>>> furthermore, is >>>> >>>> >>>>> this truly an issue, or is it actually somewhat normal? This is really >>>>> puzzling >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> to me and I really hope to get it figured out before it's too late! >>>>> Thanks so >>> >>> >>>>> much. >>>>> >>>>> -William Bard >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> post: [email protected] >>>>> unsubscribe or set options at >>>>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> post: [email protected] >>>> unsubscribe or set options at >>>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/wdbard%40me.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >>> m >>> m >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/wdbard%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >> m >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/wdbard%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/wdbard%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
