Wow,
 
Wish I had know this.  I was in Portland the week before the symposium.  
Dudddddddd

Milton

Milton Kicklighter
4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic
Retired

From: Herbert Foster <[email protected]>
>To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 1:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc.
>
>Powell's Books up in Portland, OR, is also a good source, though being there 
>physically is best if you like to browse.
>
>http://www.powells.com
>
>Herb Foster
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Mr Robert Ward <[email protected]>
>To: Milton Kicklighter <[email protected]>; The Horn List 
><[email protected]>
>Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 12:48:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc.
>
>Hi Milton -
>
>Over the years I made it is point to buy from used book sites on the internet 
>any horn book I heard about.  So I think I bought it from:
>
>http://www.abebooks.com/
>
>It's a simple yet great site where I've also bought many genealogy related 
>books 
>too.
>
>Bob
>
>On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:53 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob,
>>  
>> Where did you get this copy of Gunthers book.  Many years ago a friend of 
>>mine.... Fred Bradford.... showed me a pamphlet that Schuller had written and 
>>this plus much about intonation was included in that pamphlet.  I would love 
>>to 
>>find a copy of it.
>>  
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Milton
>> 
>> Milton Kicklighter
>> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic
>> Retired
>> 
>> From: Robert N. Ward <[email protected]>
>>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 6:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc.
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Every time this comes up I refer back to a snippet from Gunther Schuller's 
>>>book...
>>> 
>>> From Schuller: Horn Technique - "A common misconception exists that 
>>> staccato 
>>>playing requires a different technical approach than more sustained playing. 
>>>Nothing could be further from the truth. Essentially, a staccato note is 
>>>produced exactly like any other note; that is to say, a clean attack (in 
>>>staccato fairly sharp and pointed) is followed by a fully centered tone and 
>>>ended quickly by the action of the larynx. Common faults in staccato playing 
>>>are: a) the attack, because of the speed with which the tongue is required 
>>>to 
>>>move, is often fuzzy and unfocused; b)the tone, because of its relative 
>>>brevity, 
>>>is neglected and allowed to sound thin and pinched; and c) the tongue, 
>>>rather 
>>>than the larynx, is used to stop the note.  This latter fault gives the note 
>>>an 
>>>unpleasantly abrupt ending and makes the staccato sound choppy and 
>>>aggressive. 
>>>For my taste, the most attractive staccato in one in which each note is ever 
>>>so 
>>>slightly tapered at the end."
>>> 
>>> Robert N. Ward
>>> Principal Horn
>>> San Francisco Symphony
>>> [email protected]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ralph Hall wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Wendell, I reply to your posting out of courtesy because I realise  
>>>> that it is to your advice that many on this list look to. However, I  
>>>> must take issue with you on one or two points. My reply, which brought  
>>>> up the 'whole glottal thing' was specifically concerned with the  
>>>> ending of notes other than staccato and you seem to extrapolate from  
>>>> that, via those that seek our help, that I advocate stopping short  
>>>> notes with the glottis. This is certainly not my way of thinking but  
>>>> you then go on to say that articulations (which exactly?) should be  
>>>> 'small actions of the tongue and not a lot of throat stuff'. I never  
>>>> have, nor ever will conflate 'articulations' with a 'lot of throat  
>>>> stuff' so I wonder where this comes from?
>>>> 
>>>> In your reply to William you say that 'you are right to think that  
>>>> stopping each note with the tongue would be a bad thing in a fast  
>>>> passage' but in your second posting you advocate 'toot' or 'teet'  
>>>> which to my mind, if you pronounce the last consonant in normal  
>>>> pronunciation, means ending the note with the tongue. I certainly  
>>>> accept your advocacy of the vowel sound between the two 'ts' otherwise  
>>>> you do get more tongue than note. There are not many linguistic and  
>>>> elocution experts, or (heaven forbid!), singing teachers who would  
>>>> agree that pronouncing with the tongue 'and suitable vowel sounds' can  
>>>> take the throat (presumably you mean the glottis) out of the equation.
>>>> 
>>>> Ultimately, Valerie is right that there is more than one way of  
>>>> cracking a nut, but an acknowledgement of the skills of others in  
>>>> solving these universal problems might render the list more helpful to  
>>>> those who seek advice.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph R. Hall
>>> 
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