Luke makes a very important point here. In my mind, I have a fairly clear opinion of the whole BE business, but it is my opinion and no one asked me for it. In any area where research has to be independently validated, it is done by a jury of experts. Perhaps the method could be sent to four or five of the widely acknowledged professionals who frequently contribute. Certainly most of us can agree on Hans, Kendell, and Bob Ward - and those are just off the top of my head, there are are several more very highly qualified individuals with extensive performing and teaching experience. It might even be wise to get one or two conservatory teachers with great professional reputations who do not contribute and therefore would like have had no opportunity to form any opinion.
You may want to include Laurie Frink who is Carmine Caruso's protege and successor. Though a trumpet player like Carmine, I believe we can all attest to the valuable work that they have both done for all brass players. I would REALLY be interested in reading their considered opinion on this. Then, perhaps, can we let it rest. With best wishes from Band Camp (oh yeh! 72 weeks down, only 15 more (if I get time off for good behavior) Chris >>> Luke Zyla 08/09/11 5:32 PM >>> This is almost as fun as the old days when Hans would go on a rampage. He mellowed quite a bit over the years. Only difference is, Hans has an international reputation as a truly stellar horn player. Luke Zyla On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:32 PM, DB wrote: > > > > WR> I agree that constant hawking of products can be annoying, but it is a > fine line between that and just being enthusiastic. But maybe if you are > going to criticize others you should use your real name. > > > RS. Thank You for agreeing. My name is Ralph Snake > > > WR. If you want to watch someone who uses BE, go on You Tube and watch > Steven Park. > > > RS. I have and he does not bunch his chin. He also sounded just as good > before he studied the method. > > > WR. it is also odd that you claim that if you follow Jeff's instructions > "to the letter"...see above, etc. Really? I guess there must be a bunch of > players out there that are injured that we don't know about. > > RS. If you are playing a record session early morning a Mahler Sym reh and > another session in the afternoon and the Mahler concert that night you > better have good playing mechanics. A bunched chin will leave you open for > injury. > > > WR. You can hurt yourself following anyone's instructions, especially if you > don't read them carefully. > > > RS I did. The front page contains pictures and also throughout the book. > Classic Bunched Chin. He also says a flat chin is not desirable. > > > WR. The exercises are meant to free up your movement and give you insight on > things that you might not get otherwise. > > RS. Yes they do that even without bunching. > > WR. It is not meant to be taken as specific instructions, per se. > > RS. Read the book look at the pictures they could not be more specific. > > > WR. Yes, most great players do not bunch their chins, but that is a > resultant and not real methodology. A firm chin can become a frozen chin of > steel too, with no help at all to your playing. > > > RS. Thank you for agreeing. No one is talking about frozen chins. > > > WR. Bunching the chin is NOT a goal of BE anyway. > > RS. Not according to the book > > WR. By the way, Cindy Lewis is not the foremost expert on horn injuries, and > neither am I. I don't know who is. She did write a book, though, which has > some good info. > > RS. She is the only one out there interviewing players and doctors on the > injuries of horn players so if you don't know of anyone else then she is the > foremost expert on horn injuries. The books she wrote are very helpful for > someone coming back from an injury. By the way I don't recall anyone of > accusing you of being the foremost expert on anything. > > WR. There are a lot of sources of information about playing injuries from > all instruments out there, though. There are things in her book that could > be easily questioned on here if someone wanted to. > > RS. Same goes for your book and DVD > > > WR. Playing injuries is a subject that could use a lot more research, and it > is something that teachers should be more concerned about. > > RS. I agree > > WR. And just for the record, i do not teach BE. Not because I don't like it, > but because i haven't had time to try it enough myself and i was working on > a similar track that I wanted to finish before I compared it to Jeff's > stuff. I just might take some lessons with Jeff, because pedagogy and good > methodology interests me. The fact is, that there is a lot of pedagogy out > there that is pretty worn out and potentially misleading or really only > effective on a hit and miss basis. > > RS. Good For you. > > WR. I do advocate learning to roll the lips in and out for better range and > movement between the ranges. I don't teach it like Jeff does, but i have > talked to him on the phone and it sounds like we are on the same track. > > RS. And you can also do that with a flat chin. > > > WR. If you or anyone else wants to read my thoughts on the subject and get > some FREE exercises, you can go to the Addendum and Extras page on my > website and download the exercises, complete with history and instructions. > I also demo it on my DVDs. Let me know what you think. Maybe discussing my > stuff a bit would take the edge off this whole BE thing. Whatever. > > RS. I did and there wasn't anything I was interested in. > > Sincerely, > Wendell Rider > For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the DVDs, go to > my website: www.wendellworld.com > > RS. Wendell Apparently, I inadvertently stepped into your area of > expertise. I apologize. Your whole post was designed to make me look > foolish. You cannot do that because I do that very well on my own. Whew! I > have been rebuked and from now on I will stay out of your area of expertise. > > > Have a Good Day! > > Ralph Snake > Hornplayer Extraordinaire > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/dbhorn%40nc.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/cwilhjelm%40pascack.k12.nj.us _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
