We did a piece last year with a trumpet part in a key other than Bflat. Trumpet player explained to conductor he didn't have his trumpet in that key with him would bring it following rehearsal.
The horn section in near unison said, "transpose". On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:51 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Those F arrangements throw me off most of the time, but unless I use a > transposing gadget I'll read off of the F part. Why make things worse for > myself? > > It reminds me of a July 4th gig where the conductor handed the principal > Stars and Stripes and said "Is F okay?" The principal jokingly replied "No, > I'd like it in D". > > -William > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Milton Kicklighter <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 9:21 am > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Triple horns > > > Well William, > > > > Cheat on. First to let you know that I am so "right handed" that if I lost > my > > right arm I would starve to death > > before I could learn to eat with my left. That said: > > > > Years and years ago I was playing first horn in the Brevard Faculty orchestra > > and that summer La Gazza Ladra > > came up. I was playing my 8d at the time, so I had Chuck Ward... who > > was working for Conn at the time... make me > > an E slide for my 8d. Now no problem playing the little call! No problem > > playing the E part now. Just wonderful > > F horn fingerings and man could I swing it! > > > > But!!!! when the first rehearsal arrived!!! It was an odd arrangement > > written in F horn. Dudddddddd. Guess what???? > > OOOOOOO did I ever need that right-handed horn! > > > > By the way, the E slide works like a charm. Wish I had "more" of those > slides. > > > > > > > > Milton > > > > Milton Kicklighter > > 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic > > Retired > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:57 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Triple horns > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I've faced some stiff opposition this list from employing Schmid's method of > > raising/lowering the horn a half step for pieces in E. Some people are > trained > > to play in F or Bb only and learning new 'fingerings' is too much for some > > people to want to deal with, perhaps. > >> > >> Yet, I've been able to perform some very difficult pieces in E by taking the > > horn up a half step and reading in E flat. Some consider that 'cheating', but > > honestly I never considered it to be, because it still takes a very good ear > to > > think in a different key, to play in a different key that one isn't used to, > and > > to think along a different harmonic series. Yet, the advantages outweigh the > > disadvantages. If you're not going to 'cheat', someone else will on a > > competition or audition, and WIN because they won't consider it cheating. > >> > >> I have no problem with people using Eb horns to play Eb pieces (there has >> been > > a very prominent soloist who won a very prestigious competition by playing > > Strauss 2 on a custom built high Eb horn), or playing a specific horn for E > > pieces (as I believe another very high profile performer has a specific horn > for > > JUST the Weber Concertino). > >> > >> Also remember, Ifor James and Tuckwell recorded the Neruda and Zelenka > > Concertos on a high Bb horn - and I've played on one briefly and I don't see > why > > they wouldn't have chosen that instrument. > >> > >> I guess if you want to get technical though, you really don't have to learn >> new > > fingerings for anything because you only have so many finger combinations, > and > > it only comes down to mental transposition. Frankly, I say use whatever tools > > you have at your disposal. > >> > >> As far as a triple goes, judging by my descant, I probably wouldn't use the > > high side but maybe 10% of the time on mostly 1st parts, and maybe some 3rd > > parts, but that's it. But, those excerpts like Haydn and Bach and Beethoven 7 > in > > auditions are always going to be called, and audition committees 9 times out > of > > 10 will pick the person who didn't miss as long as they have a sound that > still > > sounds like a horn. > >> > >> -William > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Luke Zyla <[email protected]> > >> To: smh <[email protected]>; The Horn List <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 8:24 am > >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Triple horns > >> > >> > >> I am afraid that I must disagree with this statement. Some triple horns are > >> > >> very light nowadays. The compromises are very slight and they are much >> easier > >> > >> to play. Granted, the adjustment to fingerings is a challenge, but the > >> > >> advantages far outweigh the compromise. If I were a young buck nowadays on >> the > > > >> > >> audition trail, I would certainly enjoy the competitive edge that a high > > quality > >> > >> triple affords. That is why I coughed up the money for a triple for my son, > > the > >> > >> young buck on the audition trail. > >> > >> > >> > >> Luke Zyla, 2nd horn > >> > >> WV Symphony Orchestra > >> > >> www.wvsymphony.org > >> > >> > >> > >> On Aug 11, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Steve Haflich wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> Luke Zyla <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Go for the triple. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>> Is my logic in thinking the Eb horn is useful because of the fact > >> > >>>> it is yet another key in the horn, useful for transpositions in > >> > >>>> some cases, sound? Or is it unfounded? This in addition to being a > >> > >>>> descant and all the benefits of having one? Essentially in a > >> > >>>> similar manner of the transpositions of the stop valve. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I'm going to make a contrary observation. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If you think the main purpose of a high Eb branch is to make > >> > >>> transposition easier, then you are not ready for a triple. A triple is > >> > >>> a heaveier horn than a double, has more inherent compromises, and is > >> > >>> therefore more difficult to play. Will this be your _only_ horn? Do > >> > >>> you want to make things more difficult for yourself? > >> > >>> > >> > >>> I'm not personally interested in debating these issues, but I urge you > >> > >>> to think about them for yourself. > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >> > >>> post: [email protected] > >> > >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/lzyla%40suddenlink.net > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> post: [email protected] > >> > >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> post: [email protected] > >> unsubscribe or set options at >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/valkhorn%40aol.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
