Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. I know many of us started during an emergency.
For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, I started another email chain about training help. Step by step, heather Heather Leson heatherle...@gmail.com Twitter: HeatherLeson Blog: textontechs.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > Andrew > > This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long > Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great > job. They were in the top list of contributors. > > This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the > new contributors. > > I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make to > our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and assure > we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce quality > mapping. > > regard > > > Pierre > > ------------------------------ > *De :* Andrew Buck <andrew.r.b...@gmail.com> > *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org > *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21 > *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but > some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is > load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored > download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check > the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people > doing this every now and then makes a huge difference. > > Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map. > Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful > of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for > other mappers. > > - -AndrewBuck > > > On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: > > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to > > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These > > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives > > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some > > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed > > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already > > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal > > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked > > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I > > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these > > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected > > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then > > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in > > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done > > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is > > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for > > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them > > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles > > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to > > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in > > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any > > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all" > > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows > > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that > > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as > > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are > > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can > > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the > > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant > > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have > > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to > > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more > > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this > > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list > > HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVPsRiAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb+jwQAMZhc8YlaIGFjM4sDfymuEMY > bToXaaGT4zDC5lVdFzfDEs4/u5gNsolRWyuN3jMa+tMPCDmABBOehWdywAEN3zqi > EItL6RmXn6rzOoglfGUHC26QkeI3l6nA359IbR9YL8vLld2QNGv7fqsXa6zoObp7 > /wmpXG/V9Chwf4ywtFo+eEGMvpDEykXM3fD0CLhHzNrex7iD+43O2LhZUN3kykrs > unzREelpbuulpw9zhBa8tfBYNGZLj1slC3YyLomOaBS0Tr85Jarloa1KS2fkj6ye > BF9M5F2+eXUv5I78dIt9LmloTZzcoSWJAlJkwmkykaj3uqqFBmjs16J1UWzHofFe > pB218inZmo+ZhgzmElg/AgjppQvl276GYP0S/yFkmB/pOkAR5jBvw4r2SddzOeIb > dYh4Wh0vh3sJn9FxXzWivj9qZvAwXsXggnRTyLoXOAaFCUYZTfX10nr0mdy5VjHA > XGHZNGlyRjSC1yCLYQMrwmOUprbrD5qfv3I3uxOXuYqhu4SGvTHdKJe+vKLeAn9R > QWnvqmd0OJ5ek7gu9z/AsGo3xHr8s5TJpiyKowUvRlxix5J04GOIHrW9srrxkD1w > 9InB8+y4rrASNg1ylIrAcyxBe8ZLYgDgNKGOuSsMPL37Bnu2JwBfzksyzzPmEBAy > 348dbGr81F22yS3kf9FX > =Xj3x > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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