Hi, We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts?
Sincerely, Severin On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao <cl...@clkao.org> wrote: > Fellow mappers, > > Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a > critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes > OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better > community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, > and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain > from contributing. > > Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the > tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to > local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to > create screencast for specific tasks. > > As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during > disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually > couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some > common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to > participate in a project others criticize: > > - Are the maps actually being used? > - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or > incomplete? > - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? > > Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community > switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to > "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you > shouldn't do it". But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously > to make HOT even more awesome. > > Best, > clkao > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters <pedrito1...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT >> Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest >> to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line... >> >> Pete >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. >>> I know many of us started during an emergency. >>> >>> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was >>> firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are >>> right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, >>> I started another email chain about training help. >>> >>> Step by step, >>> >>> heather >>> >>> Heather Leson >>> heatherle...@gmail.com >>> Twitter: HeatherLeson >>> Blog: textontechs.com >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Andrew >>>> >>>> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long >>>> Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great >>>> job. They were in the top list of contributors. >>>> >>>> This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well >>>> the new contributors. >>>> >>>> I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make >>>> to our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and >>>> assure we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce >>>> quality mapping. >>>> >>>> regard >>>> >>>> >>>> Pierre >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *De :* Andrew Buck <andrew.r.b...@gmail.com> >>>> *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org >>>> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21 >>>> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but >>>> some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is >>>> load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored >>>> download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check >>>> the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people >>>> doing this every now and then makes a huge difference. >>>> >>>> Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map. >>>> Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful >>>> of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for >>>> other mappers. >>>> >>>> - -AndrewBuck >>>> >>>> >>>> On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: >>>> > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to >>>> > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These >>>> > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives >>>> > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some >>>> > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed >>>> > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already >>>> > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal >>>> > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked >>>> > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I >>>> > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these >>>> > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected >>>> > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then >>>> > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in >>>> > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done >>>> > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is >>>> > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for >>>> > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them >>>> > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles >>>> > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to >>>> > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in >>>> > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any >>>> > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all" >>>> > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows >>>> > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that >>>> > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as >>>> > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are >>>> > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can >>>> > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the >>>> > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant >>>> > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have >>>> > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to >>>> > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more >>>> > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this >>>> > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list >>>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> > >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) >>>> >>>> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVPsRiAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb+jwQAMZhc8YlaIGFjM4sDfymuEMY >>>> bToXaaGT4zDC5lVdFzfDEs4/u5gNsolRWyuN3jMa+tMPCDmABBOehWdywAEN3zqi >>>> EItL6RmXn6rzOoglfGUHC26QkeI3l6nA359IbR9YL8vLld2QNGv7fqsXa6zoObp7 >>>> /wmpXG/V9Chwf4ywtFo+eEGMvpDEykXM3fD0CLhHzNrex7iD+43O2LhZUN3kykrs >>>> unzREelpbuulpw9zhBa8tfBYNGZLj1slC3YyLomOaBS0Tr85Jarloa1KS2fkj6ye >>>> BF9M5F2+eXUv5I78dIt9LmloTZzcoSWJAlJkwmkykaj3uqqFBmjs16J1UWzHofFe >>>> pB218inZmo+ZhgzmElg/AgjppQvl276GYP0S/yFkmB/pOkAR5jBvw4r2SddzOeIb >>>> dYh4Wh0vh3sJn9FxXzWivj9qZvAwXsXggnRTyLoXOAaFCUYZTfX10nr0mdy5VjHA >>>> XGHZNGlyRjSC1yCLYQMrwmOUprbrD5qfv3I3uxOXuYqhu4SGvTHdKJe+vKLeAn9R >>>> QWnvqmd0OJ5ek7gu9z/AsGo3xHr8s5TJpiyKowUvRlxix5J04GOIHrW9srrxkD1w >>>> 9InB8+y4rrASNg1ylIrAcyxBe8ZLYgDgNKGOuSsMPL37Bnu2JwBfzksyzzPmEBAy >>>> 348dbGr81F22yS3kf9FX >>>> =Xj3x >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Pete Masters* >> Missing Maps Project Coordinator >> +44 7921 781 518 >> >> missingmaps.org <http://www.missingmaps.org/> >> >> *@pedrito1414* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> >> *@theMissingMaps* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> >> *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* >> <https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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