On the wiki page it refers to *"JOSM Style 'HOT-OSM-Validation'"* does this refer to the HDM style?
Thanks John On 28 April 2015 at 06:44, Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com> wrote: > NIck and I made this wikipage about it: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data > > I should actually update it a bit. In CAR for exemple, everytime a job and > task validation is done (the latter may not be finished, depending on the > motivation of mappers), I unpublish the job, download the whole area and > make a first quick check to identify areas where tasks were not correctly > done. If it took a long time to fix, I unvalidate these tasks and republish > the job. > Once everything is quite OK, I repeat the same process and > - clean everything with the validator > - add mssing objects > - improve the data consistency (especially the road network) > - improve the tag consistency (again, especially the road network, > according to the agreed scheme) > > Sincerely, > > Severin > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > >> Like we started yesterday, we need various ways to validate the data. Not >> only via the Task Manager. Yes, global validation are a good way to do it. >> We started to do for roads. If you think of other ways to validate, please >> do. >> >> I also asked previously for monitoring tools to better follow such huge >> activations. After this activation, we should make an evaluation and assure >> we develop appropriate tools to support such activations. >> >> >> Pierre >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Severin Menard <severin.men...@gmail.com> >> *À :* "hot@openstreetmap.org" <hot@openstreetmap.org> >> *Envoyé le :* Mardi 28 avril 2015 6h04 >> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >> >> Hi, >> >> We could also make slightly evolve the Tasking Manager and create an >> "experienced mapper" privileges status who would be required to have access >> to the validate/unvalidate steps and can promote any other mapper to this >> status, because she/he knowsher/him and trust her/his skills. The rest of >> the mappers (supposedly beginners) could map only the non validated task >> (as they should supposedly do). Thoughts? >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Severin >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Chia-liang Kao <cl...@clkao.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Fellow mappers, >> >> Maintaining quality with large number of inexperienced mappers is a >> critical issue. However I think that open and inclusiveness is what makes >> OSM and HOT great, and we should work on accommodating newbies with better >> community support or technical improvement to make tools more fool-proof, >> and figure out under what circumstance we wish to tell people to refrain >> from contributing. >> >> Heather already started drafting training support. When we circulate the >> tasks to the public, we make sure there's localized tutorial and a link to >> local community's group for newbies to find help. People also wanted to >> create screencast for specific tasks. >> >> As a lot of people get to know HOT/OSM for the first time during >> disasters, it might be also helpful if we can draft an HOT FAQ (I actually >> couldn't find one, please enlighten me if there's already one) for some >> common critics, so people won't be scared away because they are to >> participate in a project others criticize: >> >> - Are the maps actually being used? >> - If this is used in critical mission, what happens when it's wrong or >> incomplete? >> - What's the point for tracing from pre-disaster imagery? >> >> Personally I am awkwardly glad that Naysayers outside our community >> switched from "No one is going to use your stuff, you shouldn't do it" to >> "People's life are at stake because the maps are in actual use, you >> shouldn't do it". But in any case we do need to tackle the issue seriously >> to make HOT even more awesome. >> >> Best, >> clkao >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM Pete Masters <pedrito1...@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT >> Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest >> to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line... >> >> Pete >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. >> I know many of us started during an emergency. >> >> For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was >> firm last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are >> right that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, >> I started another email chain about training help. >> >> Step by step, >> >> heather >> >> Heather Leson >> heatherle...@gmail.com >> Twitter: HeatherLeson >> Blog: textontechs.com >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: >> >> Andrew >> >> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long >> Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great >> job. They were in the top list of contributors. >> >> This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the >> new contributors. >> >> I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make to >> our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and assure >> we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce quality >> mapping. >> >> regard >> >> >> Pierre >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Andrew Buck <andrew.r.b...@gmail.com> >> *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org >> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21 >> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but >> some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is >> load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored >> download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check >> the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people >> doing this every now and then makes a huge difference. >> >> Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map. >> Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful >> of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for >> other mappers. >> >> - -AndrewBuck >> >> >> On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: >> > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to >> > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These >> > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives >> > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some >> > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed >> > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already >> > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal >> > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked >> > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I >> > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these >> > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected >> > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then >> > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in >> > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done >> > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is >> > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for >> > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them >> > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles >> > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to >> > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in >> > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any >> > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all" >> > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows >> > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that >> > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as >> > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are >> > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can >> > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the >> > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant >> > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have >> > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to >> > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more >> > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this >> > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun) >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVPsRiAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb+jwQAMZhc8YlaIGFjM4sDfymuEMY >> bToXaaGT4zDC5lVdFzfDEs4/u5gNsolRWyuN3jMa+tMPCDmABBOehWdywAEN3zqi >> EItL6RmXn6rzOoglfGUHC26QkeI3l6nA359IbR9YL8vLld2QNGv7fqsXa6zoObp7 >> /wmpXG/V9Chwf4ywtFo+eEGMvpDEykXM3fD0CLhHzNrex7iD+43O2LhZUN3kykrs >> unzREelpbuulpw9zhBa8tfBYNGZLj1slC3YyLomOaBS0Tr85Jarloa1KS2fkj6ye >> BF9M5F2+eXUv5I78dIt9LmloTZzcoSWJAlJkwmkykaj3uqqFBmjs16J1UWzHofFe >> pB218inZmo+ZhgzmElg/AgjppQvl276GYP0S/yFkmB/pOkAR5jBvw4r2SddzOeIb >> dYh4Wh0vh3sJn9FxXzWivj9qZvAwXsXggnRTyLoXOAaFCUYZTfX10nr0mdy5VjHA >> XGHZNGlyRjSC1yCLYQMrwmOUprbrD5qfv3I3uxOXuYqhu4SGvTHdKJe+vKLeAn9R >> QWnvqmd0OJ5ek7gu9z/AsGo3xHr8s5TJpiyKowUvRlxix5J04GOIHrW9srrxkD1w >> 9InB8+y4rrASNg1ylIrAcyxBe8ZLYgDgNKGOuSsMPL37Bnu2JwBfzksyzzPmEBAy >> 348dbGr81F22yS3kf9FX >> =Xj3x >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Pete Masters* >> Missing Maps Project Coordinator >> +44 7921 781 518 >> >> missingmaps.org <http://www.missingmaps.org/> >> >> *@pedrito1414* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> >> *@theMissingMaps* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> >> *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* >> <https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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