This is one of the main things I want to discuss with people at the HOT Summit this week and a central issue for Missing Maps. If it is of interest to any of you, please find me in DC or drop me a line...
Pete On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Heather Leson <heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks everyone. Pierre, your story about new people improving is great. I > know many of us started during an emergency. > > For our dear friend and fellow mapper, Ralph. Thank you. I know I was firm > last night, but waking this morning (Doha) I really think you are right > that we need to improve new mapper onboarding during emergencies. So, I > started another email chain about training help. > > Step by step, > > heather > > Heather Leson > heatherle...@gmail.com > Twitter: HeatherLeson > Blog: textontechs.com > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Pierre Béland <pierz...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > >> Andrew >> >> This remembers such experiences for the Ebola outbreak. With a long >> Activation, we saw contributors that did improve rapidly and did a great >> job. They were in the top list of contributors. >> >> This is social gathering, and we have to take care to accompany well the >> new contributors. >> >> I did make some comments over the last year about improvements to make to >> our monitoring tools. We should surely continue to look at this and assure >> we have the possibility to both keep our reactivity and produce quality >> mapping. >> >> regard >> >> >> Pierre >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Andrew Buck <andrew.r.b...@gmail.com> >> *À :* hot@openstreetmap.org >> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 19h21 >> *Objet :* Re: [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I understand the frustration. Some times the newbies do very bad, but >> some produce very good data as well. One thing that we can also do is >> load large sections of the country in JOSM with the 'mirrored >> download' plugin. You can then scan over a large area and just check >> the roads for major problems like you mention. Even just a few people >> doing this every now and then makes a huge difference. >> >> Remember, the tasking manager is not the only way we have to map. >> Experienced people can work on their own, as long as they are mindful >> of what they are doing and try a bit to avoid causing conflicts for >> other mappers. >> >> - -AndrewBuck >> >> >> On 04/27/2015 10:25 AM, AYTOUN RALPH wrote: >> > If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. We need to >> > change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. These >> > Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives >> > are at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some >> > with no completed tiles and others with only one or two completed >> > tiles) messing around with validating tiles or unlocking already >> > validated tiles and working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal >> > #944 showing 5 validated tiles are actively locked. When I checked >> > on the people that were doing this they were complete beginners. I >> > have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these >> > beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected >> > roads (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then >> > validating this tile, then invalidating it again. While I am all in >> > favour of getting new mappers up and going this should only be done >> > on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is >> > extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for >> > those people out in the field with injured and dead all around them >> > and lives at stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles >> > because we can no longer trust them to be correct or near to >> > correct. We have already had complaints about poor quality work in >> > the past and this type of activity is not going to get us any >> > better credibility. We really need to rethink the "open to all" >> > policy for HOT Activations. I am now looking at #944 which shows >> > 63% Validated right now and there is two more Validated tiles that >> > are actively locked. I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as >> > being checked and cleared. I know that the majority of what we are >> > producing will be of some assistance in the hills of Nepal but can >> > also imagine the frustration of those people with some of the >> > nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. OK. Rant >> > over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I have >> > identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to >> > open any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more >> > experience. Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this >> > crisis but felt that this needed to be said. Ralph (RAytoun) >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVPsRiAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb+jwQAMZhc8YlaIGFjM4sDfymuEMY >> bToXaaGT4zDC5lVdFzfDEs4/u5gNsolRWyuN3jMa+tMPCDmABBOehWdywAEN3zqi >> EItL6RmXn6rzOoglfGUHC26QkeI3l6nA359IbR9YL8vLld2QNGv7fqsXa6zoObp7 >> /wmpXG/V9Chwf4ywtFo+eEGMvpDEykXM3fD0CLhHzNrex7iD+43O2LhZUN3kykrs >> unzREelpbuulpw9zhBa8tfBYNGZLj1slC3YyLomOaBS0Tr85Jarloa1KS2fkj6ye >> BF9M5F2+eXUv5I78dIt9LmloTZzcoSWJAlJkwmkykaj3uqqFBmjs16J1UWzHofFe >> pB218inZmo+ZhgzmElg/AgjppQvl276GYP0S/yFkmB/pOkAR5jBvw4r2SddzOeIb >> dYh4Wh0vh3sJn9FxXzWivj9qZvAwXsXggnRTyLoXOAaFCUYZTfX10nr0mdy5VjHA >> XGHZNGlyRjSC1yCLYQMrwmOUprbrD5qfv3I3uxOXuYqhu4SGvTHdKJe+vKLeAn9R >> QWnvqmd0OJ5ek7gu9z/AsGo3xHr8s5TJpiyKowUvRlxix5J04GOIHrW9srrxkD1w >> 9InB8+y4rrASNg1ylIrAcyxBe8ZLYgDgNKGOuSsMPL37Bnu2JwBfzksyzzPmEBAy >> 348dbGr81F22yS3kf9FX >> =Xj3x >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > -- *Pete Masters* Missing Maps Project Coordinator +44 7921 781 518 missingmaps.org <http://www.missingmaps.org/> *@pedrito1414* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> *@theMissingMaps* <https://twitter.com/TheMissingMaps> *facebook.com/MissingMapsProject* <https://www.facebook.com/MissingMapsProject>
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