The interesting thing is when the very experienced iD specialist mapped a building they did it by placing a dot in the four corners of the building then the ways and tag were added very quickly by a short cut perhaps?
By placing the four corners first you could see clearly where they should go. I don't know how it was done but as an interim measure perhaps we could teach this method of mapping buildings? Cheerio John On 20 November 2017 at 07:36, Stuart Ward <stuart.w...@bcs.org> wrote: > Having spent considerable time fixing iD editor squares non-square > buildings, with random shared nodes, connected to roads, and areas, getting > a better first time result is so important. > > I pains where you come across a square that they have clearly spent quite > a lot of time mapping all the ins and outs of buildings. > > Stuart > > -- > Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 <+44%207782%20325143> > > On 19 November 2017 at 15:52, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM < > blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> A lot of this would be addressed if iD had a building mapping tool >> like JOSM does. I am going to restart the effort to get that added in >> to iD, I have some new ideas for how we might be able to accomplish >> it. I think it would save literally hundreds of hours volunteer time >> fixing buildings that are mapped by new mappers and help new mappers >> increase their productivity and accuracy. >> >> iD is by far the more approachable editor for OSM, it runs on any >> desktop or laptop with zero installation issues and has a great >> built-in tutorial, so I think we would be well served by helping >> improve iD. >> >> If there are any JS wizards out there who want to help complete the >> building tool for iD (it is already started, just not completed) >> please contact me directly :) >> >> Cheers, >> Blake >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:40 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > and I totally concur with what Ralph has said. >> > >> > We asked people who were attending to install JAVA before they arrived >> and I >> > had josm-tested.jar available on a DVD to minimise the stress on the >> wifi >> > network. I had a USB DVD device with me and a bag of mice. The >> particular >> > maperthon I was at was a one off affair but we had someone from the >> local >> > OSM group mention how to find the monthly meetings where mapping took >> place. >> > >> > Note I had two machines available that had JAVA, JOSM with the plugins >> > already installed so it was just a matter of "come in, sit down, create >> an >> > account, wiggle the mouse now you've mapped your first building." >> Upload, >> > then we got them to install JOSM on their own machine and when we >> downloaded >> > the tile again their previous mapping was there which reinforced the >> idea >> > that they were mapping on a live database. >> > >> > It could be just me but my feeling was we got a bit more engagement with >> > JOSM as they could see the underlying tags and having shown one mapper >> how >> > to join up two rectangles for an L shaped building I asked them to show >> > another mapper how to do it when they wanted to know which helps on the >> > confidence building side. >> > >> > For highways there is less to choose between the two editors but for >> > buildings certainly for accuracy currently JOSM and the building_tool >> plugin >> > wins hands down. >> > >> > I think the large maperthons have their place but perhaps we need more >> > mini-maperthons? >> > >> > Cheerio John >> > >> > On 19 November 2017 at 03:07, <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> A useful guide to running your Mapathon can be found here >> >> http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> There is no hard and fast rule to running a successful Mapathon. As I >> >> point out, each Mapathon will evolve at it’s own pace and in it’s own >> >> direction dependent the expertise of the people organizing and >> leading, on >> >> the people attending, the facilities available and the number of people >> >> involved. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As to the choice of Editor used, I agree with John that JOSM is >> preferred, >> >> unfortunately that choice is not always available. We have found that >> >> dealing with new mappers using school or corporate computers/laptops >> it is >> >> not always permitted to download other programmes, or if you have a >> large >> >> group uploading/downloading at the same time can cause problems for the >> >> available WiFi, and with one really large group we overloaded the OSM >> >> server. So our choice is to start the large group of new mappers with >> iD >> >> Editor so that we can get them mapping as quickly as we can and then >> deal >> >> with any questions they have during the session. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I do not count any success on how many squares have been completed >> >> although it is encouraging to the group to be shown at the end how much >> >> their contribution has advanced the project they are working on. I >> prefer to >> >> concentrate on getting the mappers to a stage where they are >> comfortable >> >> with their mapping and confident enough to try mapping further on >> their own >> >> at home and hopefully interested enough to return for further guidance. >> >> Going around the room and looking at what they are doing is paramount >> to >> >> this success. Telling them that they have got it and their work is good >> >> gives them the assurance they need to continue and even become more >> >> adventurous, so John is correct in saying that the one-to-one does >> show more >> >> promise and achieve better mapping. Even stopping to show a new mapper >> how >> >> to improve and correct their work has a very positive effect on their >> >> confidence. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Working with small groups definitely is an advantage because of the >> >> personal attention they can get, but will be more effective it you can >> get >> >> them meeting on a regular basis to build on their experience and skill >> with >> >> the various tools on JOSM. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> At the London monthly Mapathon we have three training sections running >> at >> >> the same time … iD , JOSM and Validating. And it is up to the >> individual as >> >> to which session they sign up to. If they want to start straight away >> with >> >> JOSM they are welcome to do so. The mappers know that there is going >> to be a >> >> Mapathon on the first Tuesday of every month so it becomes a fixed >> date on >> >> their calendar which does help with returning mappers. We also keep the >> >> email addresses of attendees and they will get invited back to future >> >> Mapathons with an Eventbrite invitation. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> As a guide to success I would point you to the fact that most of the >> >> trainers at the London Mapathons started off as newcomers and have >> stayed >> >> and progressed, a number of attendees have gone on to start up mapping >> >> groups at their universities. Also at universities and corporate >> offices >> >> where we have run Mapathons they have started up inhouse Mapping >> Parties and >> >> Mapathons of their own. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Martin Dittus gave us some statistics early on in the process of >> evolving >> >> the London Mapathons which showed approximately 30% return rate but it >> >> tailed of quickly, which is why we decided to offer the returning >> mappers >> >> the option of going onto JOSM, this helped the retention of mappers >> and now >> >> we also have a MidMonth Mapathon for experienced JOSM mappers to get >> >> involved in more advanced work. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To sum up, yes JOSM is desirable in getting good building mapping and >> very >> >> definitely when the mapping moves into dense city centres or slums >> where >> >> they are built butting up against each other. But then for people with >> no >> >> previous map experience the learning curve is very steep, having to >> learn >> >> about OSM, the Tasking Manager, the Editor, read Satellite Imagery, >> drawing >> >> the features and also tagging correctly so reducing this slightly by >> using >> >> the iD Editor to start with does make sense when you have a limited >> time to >> >> get them started. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you have any questions regarding getting started or running your >> >> Mapathon feel free to email me and I will try to help where I can. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hope some of this might be useful. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> HOT mailing list >> >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > HOT mailing list >> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Blake Girardot >> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > HOT@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >
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