Certain projects have a validator sitting on them. https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2657
https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/2656 https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3770 https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/3732 are four. There are others. Everything you mark as done will be validated, if your work is on a tile that gets marked done it will be validated as well. Normally it gets validated within 24 hours. Cheerio John On 20 November 2017 at 08:44, hnugter <hnug...@nugter.nl> wrote: > Dear Everybody, > > I'm one of the new mappers and a read alle these mails with great interest. > I just started to map 6 months ago because of an article in our local > paper. First I started to map with ID, very easy to use but recently I > learned myself to work with JOSM and the building plugin. > My problems are somewhat differen from what I read in the discussions, > When I finish mapping I often ask for comment but during the last six > months I recieved only once a comment on my work. I think that new mappers > would love to get feedback as soon as possible. One other thing is when I > start with a new task, sometimes a lot of work is already done but also > sometimes very poorly, buildings not squared or misplaced. I wonder, should > I correct that or leave it for the validators? > An other thing is that everything on the map is out of place, buildings, > roads etc. Probebly the previous mapper has used an other image than > described in the instructions where it is written to use Bing, again should > I correct that or is there an other way to continue with that task? > I'm a beginner with JOSM but for me it's easyer to work with than ID. > > And than finaly, it seems there is not much to do now for beginners, > > Best regards > > Henk Nugter > > Op 20-11-2017 om 14:05 schreef Bjoern Hassler: > > Dear friends, > > thanks for the replies and engaging discussion. Can I propose that we > start a google document to put down some of the ideas, and perhaps organise > a follow-up chat or community seminar where the ideas can be discussed > further? Outcomes can then be added to http://learnosm.org/en/coo > rdination/mapathon/ ? > > I'll send you all invites to the document off list. I'll leave the > document so that no sign-in is required, in case you don't want to have a > google account! > Bjoern > > On 20 November 2017 at 12:53, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> The interesting thing is when the very experienced iD specialist mapped a >> building they did it by placing a dot in the four corners of the building >> then the ways and tag were added very quickly by a short cut perhaps? >> >> By placing the four corners first you could see clearly where they should >> go. I don't know how it was done but as an interim measure perhaps we >> could teach this method of mapping buildings? >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 20 November 2017 at 07:36, Stuart Ward <stuart.w...@bcs.org> wrote: >> >>> Having spent considerable time fixing iD editor squares non-square >>> buildings, with random shared nodes, connected to roads, and areas, getting >>> a better first time result is so important. >>> >>> I pains where you come across a square that they have clearly spent >>> quite a lot of time mapping all the ins and outs of buildings. >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Ward M +44 7782325143 <+44%207782%20325143> >>> >>> On 19 November 2017 at 15:52, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM < >>> blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> A lot of this would be addressed if iD had a building mapping tool >>>> like JOSM does. I am going to restart the effort to get that added in >>>> to iD, I have some new ideas for how we might be able to accomplish >>>> it. I think it would save literally hundreds of hours volunteer time >>>> fixing buildings that are mapped by new mappers and help new mappers >>>> increase their productivity and accuracy. >>>> >>>> iD is by far the more approachable editor for OSM, it runs on any >>>> desktop or laptop with zero installation issues and has a great >>>> built-in tutorial, so I think we would be well served by helping >>>> improve iD. >>>> >>>> If there are any JS wizards out there who want to help complete the >>>> building tool for iD (it is already started, just not completed) >>>> please contact me directly :) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Blake >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:40 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > and I totally concur with what Ralph has said. >>>> > >>>> > We asked people who were attending to install JAVA before they >>>> arrived and I >>>> > had josm-tested.jar available on a DVD to minimise the stress on the >>>> wifi >>>> > network. I had a USB DVD device with me and a bag of mice. The >>>> particular >>>> > maperthon I was at was a one off affair but we had someone from the >>>> local >>>> > OSM group mention how to find the monthly meetings where mapping took >>>> place. >>>> > >>>> > Note I had two machines available that had JAVA, JOSM with the plugins >>>> > already installed so it was just a matter of "come in, sit down, >>>> create an >>>> > account, wiggle the mouse now you've mapped your first building." >>>> Upload, >>>> > then we got them to install JOSM on their own machine and when we >>>> downloaded >>>> > the tile again their previous mapping was there which reinforced the >>>> idea >>>> > that they were mapping on a live database. >>>> > >>>> > It could be just me but my feeling was we got a bit more engagement >>>> with >>>> > JOSM as they could see the underlying tags and having shown one >>>> mapper how >>>> > to join up two rectangles for an L shaped building I asked them to >>>> show >>>> > another mapper how to do it when they wanted to know which helps on >>>> the >>>> > confidence building side. >>>> > >>>> > For highways there is less to choose between the two editors but for >>>> > buildings certainly for accuracy currently JOSM and the building_tool >>>> plugin >>>> > wins hands down. >>>> > >>>> > I think the large maperthons have their place but perhaps we need more >>>> > mini-maperthons? >>>> > >>>> > Cheerio John >>>> > >>>> > On 19 November 2017 at 03:07, <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> A useful guide to running your Mapathon can be found here >>>> >> http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> There is no hard and fast rule to running a successful Mapathon. As I >>>> >> point out, each Mapathon will evolve at it’s own pace and in it’s own >>>> >> direction dependent the expertise of the people organizing and >>>> leading, on >>>> >> the people attending, the facilities available and the number of >>>> people >>>> >> involved. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> As to the choice of Editor used, I agree with John that JOSM is >>>> preferred, >>>> >> unfortunately that choice is not always available. We have found that >>>> >> dealing with new mappers using school or corporate computers/laptops >>>> it is >>>> >> not always permitted to download other programmes, or if you have a >>>> large >>>> >> group uploading/downloading at the same time can cause problems for >>>> the >>>> >> available WiFi, and with one really large group we overloaded the OSM >>>> >> server. So our choice is to start the large group of new mappers >>>> with iD >>>> >> Editor so that we can get them mapping as quickly as we can and then >>>> deal >>>> >> with any questions they have during the session. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> I do not count any success on how many squares have been completed >>>> >> although it is encouraging to the group to be shown at the end how >>>> much >>>> >> their contribution has advanced the project they are working on. I >>>> prefer to >>>> >> concentrate on getting the mappers to a stage where they are >>>> comfortable >>>> >> with their mapping and confident enough to try mapping further on >>>> their own >>>> >> at home and hopefully interested enough to return for further >>>> guidance. >>>> >> Going around the room and looking at what they are doing is >>>> paramount to >>>> >> this success. Telling them that they have got it and their work is >>>> good >>>> >> gives them the assurance they need to continue and even become more >>>> >> adventurous, so John is correct in saying that the one-to-one does >>>> show more >>>> >> promise and achieve better mapping. Even stopping to show a new >>>> mapper how >>>> >> to improve and correct their work has a very positive effect on their >>>> >> confidence. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Working with small groups definitely is an advantage because of the >>>> >> personal attention they can get, but will be more effective it you >>>> can get >>>> >> them meeting on a regular basis to build on their experience and >>>> skill with >>>> >> the various tools on JOSM. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> At the London monthly Mapathon we have three training sections >>>> running at >>>> >> the same time … iD , JOSM and Validating. And it is up to the >>>> individual as >>>> >> to which session they sign up to. If they want to start straight >>>> away with >>>> >> JOSM they are welcome to do so. The mappers know that there is going >>>> to be a >>>> >> Mapathon on the first Tuesday of every month so it becomes a fixed >>>> date on >>>> >> their calendar which does help with returning mappers. We also keep >>>> the >>>> >> email addresses of attendees and they will get invited back to future >>>> >> Mapathons with an Eventbrite invitation. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> As a guide to success I would point you to the fact that most of the >>>> >> trainers at the London Mapathons started off as newcomers and have >>>> stayed >>>> >> and progressed, a number of attendees have gone on to start up >>>> mapping >>>> >> groups at their universities. Also at universities and corporate >>>> offices >>>> >> where we have run Mapathons they have started up inhouse Mapping >>>> Parties and >>>> >> Mapathons of their own. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Martin Dittus gave us some statistics early on in the process of >>>> evolving >>>> >> the London Mapathons which showed approximately 30% return rate but >>>> it >>>> >> tailed of quickly, which is why we decided to offer the returning >>>> mappers >>>> >> the option of going onto JOSM, this helped the retention of mappers >>>> and now >>>> >> we also have a MidMonth Mapathon for experienced JOSM mappers to get >>>> >> involved in more advanced work. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> To sum up, yes JOSM is desirable in getting good building mapping >>>> and very >>>> >> definitely when the mapping moves into dense city centres or slums >>>> where >>>> >> they are built butting up against each other. But then for people >>>> with no >>>> >> previous map experience the learning curve is very steep, having to >>>> learn >>>> >> about OSM, the Tasking Manager, the Editor, read Satellite Imagery, >>>> drawing >>>> >> the features and also tagging correctly so reducing this slightly by >>>> using >>>> >> the iD Editor to start with does make sense when you have a limited >>>> time to >>>> >> get them started. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> If you have any questions regarding getting started or running your >>>> >> Mapathon feel free to email me and I will try to help where I can. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Hope some of this might be useful. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Regards >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Ralph >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> HOT mailing list >>>> >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > HOT mailing list >>>> > HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------------------------------------------------- >>>> Blake Girardot >>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> HOT@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> HOT@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing > listHOT@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > >
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