Dear Everybody,
I'm one of the new mappers and a read alle these mails with great interest.
I just started to map 6 months ago because of an article in our local
paper. First I started to map with ID, very easy to use but recently I
learned myself to work with JOSM and the building plugin.
My problems are somewhat differen from what I read in the discussions,
When I finish mapping I often ask for comment but during the last six
months I recieved only once a comment on my work. I think that new
mappers would love to get feedback as soon as possible. One other thing
is when I start with a new task, sometimes a lot of work is already done
but also sometimes very poorly, buildings not squared or misplaced. I
wonder, should I correct that or leave it for the validators?
An other thing is that everything on the map is out of place, buildings,
roads etc. Probebly the previous mapper has used an other image than
described in the instructions where it is written to use Bing, again
should I correct that or is there an other way to continue with that task?
I'm a beginner with JOSM but for me it's easyer to work with than ID.
And than finaly, it seems there is not much to do now for beginners,
Best regards
Henk Nugter
Op 20-11-2017 om 14:05 schreef Bjoern Hassler:
Dear friends,
thanks for the replies and engaging discussion. Can I propose that we
start a google document to put down some of the ideas, and perhaps
organise a follow-up chat or community seminar where the ideas can be
discussed further? Outcomes can then be added to
http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/
<http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/> ?
I'll send you all invites to the document off list. I'll leave the
document so that no sign-in is required, in case you don't want to
have a google account!
Bjoern
On 20 November 2017 at 12:53, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com
<mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The interesting thing is when the very experienced iD specialist
mapped a building they did it by placing a dot in the four corners
of the building then the ways and tag were added very quickly by a
short cut perhaps?
By placing the four corners first you could see clearly where they
should go. I don't know how it was done but as an interim measure
perhaps we could teach this method of mapping buildings?
Cheerio John
On 20 November 2017 at 07:36, Stuart Ward <stuart.w...@bcs.org
<mailto:stuart.w...@bcs.org>> wrote:
Having spent considerable time fixing iD editor squares
non-square buildings, with random shared nodes, connected to
roads, and areas, getting a better first time result is so
important.
I pains where you come across a square that they have clearly
spent quite a lot of time mapping all the ins and outs of
buildings.
Stuart
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On 19 November 2017 at 15:52, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM
<blake.girar...@hotosm.org <mailto:blake.girar...@hotosm.org>>
wrote:
Hi,
A lot of this would be addressed if iD had a building
mapping tool
like JOSM does. I am going to restart the effort to get
that added in
to iD, I have some new ideas for how we might be able to
accomplish
it. I think it would save literally hundreds of hours
volunteer time
fixing buildings that are mapped by new mappers and help
new mappers
increase their productivity and accuracy.
iD is by far the more approachable editor for OSM, it runs
on any
desktop or laptop with zero installation issues and has a
great
built-in tutorial, so I think we would be well served by
helping
improve iD.
If there are any JS wizards out there who want to help
complete the
building tool for iD (it is already started, just not
completed)
please contact me directly :)
Cheers,
Blake
On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:40 PM, john whelan
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> and I totally concur with what Ralph has said.
>
> We asked people who were attending to install JAVA
before they arrived and I
> had josm-tested.jar available on a DVD to minimise the
stress on the wifi
> network. I had a USB DVD device with me and a bag of
mice. The particular
> maperthon I was at was a one off affair but we had
someone from the local
> OSM group mention how to find the monthly meetings where
mapping took place.
>
> Note I had two machines available that had JAVA, JOSM
with the plugins
> already installed so it was just a matter of "come in,
sit down, create an
> account, wiggle the mouse now you've mapped your first
building." Upload,
> then we got them to install JOSM on their own machine
and when we downloaded
> the tile again their previous mapping was there which
reinforced the idea
> that they were mapping on a live database.
>
> It could be just me but my feeling was we got a bit more
engagement with
> JOSM as they could see the underlying tags and having
shown one mapper how
> to join up two rectangles for an L shaped building I
asked them to show
> another mapper how to do it when they wanted to know
which helps on the
> confidence building side.
>
> For highways there is less to choose between the two
editors but for
> buildings certainly for accuracy currently JOSM and the
building_tool plugin
> wins hands down.
>
> I think the large maperthons have their place but
perhaps we need more
> mini-maperthons?
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 19 November 2017 at 03:07, <ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com
<mailto:ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com>> wrote:
>>
>> A useful guide to running your Mapathon can be found here
>> http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/
<http://learnosm.org/en/coordination/mapathon/>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no hard and fast rule to running a successful
Mapathon. As I
>> point out, each Mapathon will evolve at it’s own pace
and in it’s own
>> direction dependent the expertise of the people
organizing and leading, on
>> the people attending, the facilities available and the
number of people
>> involved.
>>
>>
>>
>> As to the choice of Editor used, I agree with John that
JOSM is preferred,
>> unfortunately that choice is not always available. We
have found that
>> dealing with new mappers using school or corporate
computers/laptops it is
>> not always permitted to download other programmes, or
if you have a large
>> group uploading/downloading at the same time can cause
problems for the
>> available WiFi, and with one really large group we
overloaded the OSM
>> server. So our choice is to start the large group of
new mappers with iD
>> Editor so that we can get them mapping as quickly as we
can and then deal
>> with any questions they have during the session.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not count any success on how many squares have
been completed
>> although it is encouraging to the group to be shown at
the end how much
>> their contribution has advanced the project they are
working on. I prefer to
>> concentrate on getting the mappers to a stage where
they are comfortable
>> with their mapping and confident enough to try mapping
further on their own
>> at home and hopefully interested enough to return for
further guidance.
>> Going around the room and looking at what they are
doing is paramount to
>> this success. Telling them that they have got it and
their work is good
>> gives them the assurance they need to continue and even
become more
>> adventurous, so John is correct in saying that the
one-to-one does show more
>> promise and achieve better mapping. Even stopping to
show a new mapper how
>> to improve and correct their work has a very positive
effect on their
>> confidence.
>>
>>
>>
>> Working with small groups definitely is an advantage
because of the
>> personal attention they can get, but will be more
effective it you can get
>> them meeting on a regular basis to build on their
experience and skill with
>> the various tools on JOSM.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the London monthly Mapathon we have three training
sections running at
>> the same time … iD , JOSM and Validating. And it is up
to the individual as
>> to which session they sign up to. If they want to start
straight away with
>> JOSM they are welcome to do so. The mappers know that
there is going to be a
>> Mapathon on the first Tuesday of every month so it
becomes a fixed date on
>> their calendar which does help with returning mappers.
We also keep the
>> email addresses of attendees and they will get invited
back to future
>> Mapathons with an Eventbrite invitation.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a guide to success I would point you to the fact
that most of the
>> trainers at the London Mapathons started off as
newcomers and have stayed
>> and progressed, a number of attendees have gone on to
start up mapping
>> groups at their universities. Also at universities and
corporate offices
>> where we have run Mapathons they have started up
inhouse Mapping Parties and
>> Mapathons of their own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Martin Dittus gave us some statistics early on in the
process of evolving
>> the London Mapathons which showed approximately 30%
return rate but it
>> tailed of quickly, which is why we decided to offer the
returning mappers
>> the option of going onto JOSM, this helped the
retention of mappers and now
>> we also have a MidMonth Mapathon for experienced JOSM
mappers to get
>> involved in more advanced work.
>>
>>
>>
>> To sum up, yes JOSM is desirable in getting good
building mapping and very
>> definitely when the mapping moves into dense city
centres or slums where
>> they are built butting up against each other. But then
for people with no
>> previous map experience the learning curve is very
steep, having to learn
>> about OSM, the Tasking Manager, the Editor, read
Satellite Imagery, drawing
>> the features and also tagging correctly so reducing
this slightly by using
>> the iD Editor to start with does make sense when you
have a limited time to
>> get them started.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you have any questions regarding getting started or
running your
>> Mapathon feel free to email me and I will try to help
where I can.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope some of this might be useful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>>
>>
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