No. My bottom line is that if you use a patented algorithm to make a panorama for profit without paying the inventor of the algorithm, can you be outraged if your panorama is used by others without payment to you. I do not support a per scene fee such as iPix had and the inventors of SIFT do not appear to be requesting that. I can deal with being flamed. That seems to be typical when someone points out the emperor has no clothes.
On Dec 22, 6:19 am, "my_daily_...@yahoo.co.uk" <my_daily_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > The bottom line is that he is afraid to tell those patent holders that > he is willing to pay them for every image he stitched using their > methods. So, he came here to get general public support, but got flame > instead. And now he is in double trouble being alone with his shame of > using patented method and do not pay for them and without any general > public support. He will not sleep well now. ;-) > > DaveN, if you so sure that patented products need to be honored and fees > payed, go ahead and pay them. Why do you need everyones opinion about > it. Not that I am against patented products, but against childish > position of individual: "If majority doing it this way it is good and I > should follow them". I am sure if you would live in China your mind set > would be different. What you are going to do with this general public > support? Show group's threads in a court? > > Leonid > > Dale Beams wrote: > > The question is who is SURF patented by? By a university or an individual? > > > There are many patents within the linux/gpl community. However there > > are organizations who have purchased and protect those patents against > > litigation, opening up use for everyone. > > > Patents are being used to protect open source, gpl, and linux in > > general, and still allow the use of those patents to anybody. > > > Isn't this the same thing that SIFT and SURF have done? > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:19:25 +0100 > > > Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > > > From: l.jirkov...@gmail.com > > > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > > > 2009/12/18 DaveN <tahoedave...@yahoo.com>: > > > > I thought SURF was also patented but maybe it is only the > > > > implementation that is copyrighted. I don't know for sure. It would > > > > be nice to see a patent-free control generator for Hugin though. I am > > > > not a programmer so I wouldn't be much help. Here is the wiki page: > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SURF > > > > > but you may have that already. > > > > You are still messing things up. SURF (the algorithm) is patented. You > > > can patent algorithm (in meaning of technical procedure), but honestly > > > there is only slight difference between patented algorithm and > > > software patent so it may not be valid everywhere. But speaking about > > > the software (implementation) the copyright law applies. > > > > > On Dec 18, 9:41 am, Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On that note, have you considered the SURF algorithm? > > > > >> It appears that SURF is closed source as well, but there appears > > to be an "OpenSURF". > > > > >> This would be an interesting research topic. One of Hugin's goals > > is to produce it's own auto cp detector or use a GPL version of one. > > > > >> Drop a note back on SURF. I'm interested in knowing what you find. > > > > >> > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:20:46 -0800 > > > >> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > > > >> > From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com > > > >> > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > > > >> > <<But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or > > copyrighy > > > >> > infringement issues?>> > > > > >> > It is something that has been bothering me for a long time and never > > > >> > really has been discussed in the open. To me, the inventor of the > > > >> > SIFT algorithm deserves some benefit for his work but isn't really > > > >> > getting it. Sure SIFT has his University's approval for use in non- > > > >> > commercial work but that seems to be taken by many a bit liberally. > > > > >> > << To me, at first, it was like you are planning to > > > >> > release a derivative of Hugin yourself, but apparently I was wrong > > > >> > (which is good). Did you spot a Hugin rip-off somewhere? >> > > > > >> > You are right in that I have no plans on releasing a derivative of > > > >> > Hugin and I don't know of any Hugin rip-offs. I have been > > evaluating > > > >> > options for Mac 10.6 and it looks like Autopano Pro is my only > > > >> > alternative if I want to use SIFT. > > > > >> > On Dec 18, 8:53 am, Bart van Andel <bavanan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > > On 18 dec, 16:33, DaveN <tahoedave...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >> > > > Regardless, I seem to be beating a dead horse here. It is > > clear the > > > >> > > > feeling here, IMHO, is 'I follow the rules I see fit, ignore > > the ones > > > >> > > > I don't see as fit, and have no issue in expecting that my > > work will > > > >> > > > not be infringed upon.' > > > > >> > > Luckily, that's just your opinion. > > > > >> > > But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or > > copyrighy > > > >> > > infringement issues? To me, at first, it was like you are > > planning to > > > >> > > release a derivative of Hugin yourself, but apparently I was wrong > > > >> > > (which is good). 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