As I recall, SIFT was released prior to patent or permission (research would have to be done). How it was released prior to the Uni bringing it back so to speak.
Are the derivatives based from the original release? Commercial would have to be defined. Hugin may not qualify as a commercial applications because no monetary exchanged has been made. Because Hugin and it's ability to use outside source builds or binaries of these programs are non-commercial, Hugin could conceivably include these in thier programs and be free and clear Cheers ... :) > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:46:53 -0800 > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > SIFT and SURF prohibit commercial application without a license (or > waiver in the case of SURF). From the SIFT site: > > http://people.cs.ubc.ca/~lowe/keypoints/ > This demo software is provided for research purposes only. A license > must be obtained from the University of British Columbia for any > commercial applications. The sofware is protected under a US patent as > listed below. This demo software is a research implementation, while > the licensed software has been further optimized for speed and to > provide a range of other capabilities. See the LICENSE file provided > with the demo software. > > From the SURF page (interesting that the SURF page says it is > copyrighted but there is no mention of a patent) > > http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~surf/download.html > SURF is noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial > purposes. For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others > the license terms of this work. Any of these conditions can be waived > if you get written permission from the copyright holder. > > However, the third party SIFT and SURF implementations are less clear > but then they don't own the patents. > > On Dec 22, 7:16 pm, Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > The real question is, does the SIFT or SURF patent author allow or disallow > > the use of the patent without payment? > > > > There are many software patents within the Free Software Foundation and > > others in which use of that patent requires no monetary reimbursement. > > > > Perhaps the patent obligations should be stated in the source and/or binary > > of the download. > > > > Simply because it's patented does not mean that it requires payment from > > the author. > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:03:07 -0800 > > > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > > > From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com > > > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > > > > No. My bottom line is that if you use a patented algorithm to make a > > > panorama for profit without paying the inventor of the algorithm, can > > > you be outraged if your panorama is used by others without payment to > > > you. I do not support a per scene fee such as iPix had and the > > > inventors of SIFT do not appear to be requesting that. I can deal > > > with being flamed. That seems to be typical when someone points out > > > the emperor has no clothes. > > > > > On Dec 22, 6:19 am, "my_daily_...@yahoo.co.uk" > > > <my_daily_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > The bottom line is that he is afraid to tell those patent holders that > > > > he is willing to pay them for every image he stitched using their > > > > methods. So, he came here to get general public support, but got flame > > > > instead. And now he is in double trouble being alone with his shame of > > > > using patented method and do not pay for them and without any general > > > > public support. He will not sleep well now. ;-) > > > > > > DaveN, if you so sure that patented products need to be honored and fees > > > > payed, go ahead and pay them. Why do you need everyones opinion about > > > > it. Not that I am against patented products, but against childish > > > > position of individual: "If majority doing it this way it is good and I > > > > should follow them". I am sure if you would live in China your mind set > > > > would be different. What you are going to do with this general public > > > > support? Show group's threads in a court? > > > > > > Leonid > > > > > > Dale Beams wrote: > > > > > The question is who is SURF patented by? By a university or an > > > > > individual? > > > > > > > There are many patents within the linux/gpl community. However there > > > > > are organizations who have purchased and protect those patents against > > > > > litigation, opening up use for everyone. > > > > > > > Patents are being used to protect open source, gpl, and linux in > > > > > general, and still allow the use of those patents to anybody. > > > > > > > Isn't this the same thing that SIFT and SURF have done? > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:19:25 +0100 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > > > > > > From: l.jirkov...@gmail.com > > > > > > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > 2009/12/18 DaveN <tahoedave...@yahoo.com>: > > > > > > > I thought SURF was also patented but maybe it is only the > > > > > > > implementation that is copyrighted. I don't know for sure. It > > > > > would > > > > > > > be nice to see a patent-free control generator for Hugin though. > > > > > I am > > > > > > > not a programmer so I wouldn't be much help. Here is the wiki > > > > > page: > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SURF > > > > > > > > > but you may have that already. > > > > > > > > You are still messing things up. SURF (the algorithm) is patented. > > > > > You > > > > > > can patent algorithm (in meaning of technical procedure), but > > > > > honestly > > > > > > there is only slight difference between patented algorithm and > > > > > > software patent so it may not be valid everywhere. But speaking > > > > > about > > > > > > the software (implementation) the copyright law applies. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 9:41 am, Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> On that note, have you considered the SURF algorithm? > > > > > > > > >> It appears that SURF is closed source as well, but there appears > > > > > to be an "OpenSURF". > > > > > > > > >> This would be an interesting research topic. One of Hugin's > > > > > goals > > > > > is to produce it's own auto cp detector or use a GPL version of one. > > > > > > > > >> Drop a note back on SURF. I'm interested in knowing what you > > > > > find. > > > > > > > > >> > Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:20:46 -0800 > > > > > > >> > Subject: [hugin-ptx] Re: Moral questions > > > > > > >> > From: tahoedave...@yahoo.com > > > > > > >> > To: hugin-ptx@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > >> > <<But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or > > > > > copyrighy > > > > > > >> > infringement issues?>> > > > > > > > > >> > It is something that has been bothering me for a long time > > > > > and never > > > > > > >> > really has been discussed in the open. To me, the inventor > > > > > of the > > > > > > >> > SIFT algorithm deserves some benefit for his work but isn't > > > > > really > > > > > > >> > getting it. Sure SIFT has his University's approval for use > > > > > in non- > > > > > > >> > commercial work but that seems to be taken by many a bit > > > > > liberally. > > > > > > > > >> > << To me, at first, it was like you are planning to > > > > > > >> > release a derivative of Hugin yourself, but apparently I was > > > > > wrong > > > > > > >> > (which is good). Did you spot a Hugin rip-off somewhere? >> > > > > > > > > >> > You are right in that I have no plans on releasing a > > > > > derivative of > > > > > > >> > Hugin and I don't know of any Hugin rip-offs. I have been > > > > > evaluating > > > > > > >> > options for Mac 10.6 and it looks like Autopano Pro is my only > > > > > > >> > alternative if I want to use SIFT. > > > > > > > > >> > On Dec 18, 8:53 am, Bart van Andel <bavanan...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > On 18 dec, 16:33, DaveN <tahoedave...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > Regardless, I seem to be beating a dead horse here. It is > > > > > clear the > > > > > > >> > > > feeling here, IMHO, is 'I follow the rules I see fit, > > > > > ignore > > > > > the ones > > > > > > >> > > > I don't see as fit, and have no issue in expecting that my > > > > > work will > > > > > > >> > > > not be infringed upon.' > > > > > > > > >> > > Luckily, that's just your opinion. > > > > > > > > >> > > But I wonder, why are you asking about these patent and/or > > > > > copyrighy > > > > > > >> > > infringement issues? To me, at first, it was like you are > > > > > planning to > > > > > > >> > > release a derivative of Hugin yourself, but apparently I > > > > > was wrong > > > > > > >> > > (which is good). 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