No need to apologize Lydia,.we are here for the duration  -and have to
be supportive to each other- as well as like hounds on the trail of
the quarry!
Anyhow ,it made me think up a riposte at least -and it's good to
strike a line on this difficult topic.

Equally, you will see that I agree with you about marginalising the
physical effects of Hum -it can only do good to put it in 'its' place -
and ignoring it's persistence is a good way forward.
My young daughter says she hears the Hum..but I wonder if it's the
same thing.
There's a lot of distant traffic noise near me and they sound very
similar- but NOT the same-I hasten to add.
I intend to get back on the technical 'search trail' soon- so even if
you can't get stuck in right now, others are thinking of 'ways' to do
so  -all the time :)

On Dec 11, 2:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks for getting me to clarify, Trev - I realise I didn't mean
> 'symptoms', I meant characteristics.  Given that we humans are very
> similar to one another, the repeated, classic characteristics of the
> hum suggests it comes from humans.  The external environment, on the
> other hand, contains such enormous differences that if the hum was
> external, the characteristics vary greatly.  I appreciate that there
> seems to be a variation in the intensity of the hum, depending upon
> one's environment, but that can easily suggest that the evironment has
> an impact upon the internal hum.  I shouldn't have described it as an
> illness - more a 'condition'.
>
> Apologies if I'm trying to explain it away - perhaps just my personal
> way of coping with it.  I'm a teacher and I have two young children -
> life is a bit fraught as even driving seems dangerous at the moment as
> I feel drunk all the time, along with dizzy and forgetful - you all
> know what it's like - so I guess I'm a bit eager for an explanation
> that is rationally acceptable to me, even if the cause can't be nailed
> down.
>
> I like the rhyme:
> "For every ailment under the sun
> There is a remedy, or there is none;
> If there be one, try to find it;
> If there be none, never mind it."
>
> From rummaging around online, I'm pretty certain I will not find a
> remedy so I'm trying to 'never mind'.
>
> Lydia
>
> On 11 Dec, 13:29, Trev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > @Zen
> > An external noise bothering us world wide would present a far larger
> > variety of symptoms
>
> > I don't follow this logic- surely  'its' subtle side effect nature is
> > in keeping with a 'threshold effect ' rather than an illness tendency
> > as suggested.
> > The very fact that there are no other methods of pickup of hum is a
> > measure of its iniquitous nature and really just makes it harder to
> > nail-  rather than explain it away IMO!
> > I can't think what 'other effects' would show -if the only thing
> > picked up is 'ultra marginal' and most likely unintended*.
>
> > *At least , I hope that's the case !
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:58 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > > Thank you so much for your replies, gentlemen, and the link you've
> > > provided, Geoff, has truly cheered me up - thanks!
>
> > > The fact that the hum shows such 'classic' symptoms, repeated
> > > worldwide, overwhelmingly suggests to me that it is a phenonmenon
> > > within the human head and nothing to do with anything external, just
> > > as chicken pox sufferers have the same symptoms the world over.  Our
> > > human bodies are far more similar than different so if we are all
> > > experiencing the same symptoms, we all have the same 'disease'.  An
> > > external noise bothering us world wide would present a far larger
> > > variety of symptoms, surely?
>
> > > I'm only 42 and have read that I'm not really supposed to hear the hum
> > > until I'm over 50 so I may have many years of it to suffer.  I'm
> > > delighted therefore that I found this site and that very helpful link,
> > > Geoff - at one point I could see myself spending far too much time
> > > trying to identify external causes - now I know I just have to learn
> > > to deal with it.
>
> > > Incidentally, I did have a very large brain tumour removed from the
> > > humming side of my head (six years ago); I recovered quickly and
> > > completely but it has left a cavity the size of an orange in my head -
> > > don't know if that would add anything to the likelihood of a hum.  I'd
> > > be interested to add to any statistics of hum sufferers as I can see I
> > > fit into the 26% of those with injuries on the John Dawes site - if
> > > anyone knows of any current survey I can add to.  I'm in South West
> > > England by the way, half a mile from Bristol - it was vague memories
> > > of the Bristol Hum that got me investigating.
>
> > > Cheers,
> > > Lydia
>
> > > On 10 Dec, 20:08, "Geoff Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:hum-
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 11 December 2008 12:31 a.m.
> > > > > To: Hum Sufferers
> > > > > Subject: Re: TRACING THE HUM/Article Epoch Times(John Dawes)
>
> > > > > As a rationalist and materialist, Geoff, and someone who's only
> > > > > recently tuned into The Hum, I'm interested in your diagnosis of LF
> > > > > tinnitus.
>
> > > > That is refreshing  ;-!
>
> > > > > Details about tinnitus in general don't bear any relation to my hum (a
> > > > > low drone, fluctuating, heard during the night but only on some
> > > > > nights,
>
> > > > Similar to mine then . Agree not anything like the sound of common 
> > > > tinnitus.
>
> > > > Tuesdays particularly bad at the moment (I have to get up
>
> > > > > earlier than usual on Wednesdays which could be an explanation),
>
> > > > Following a more stressful part of the week maybe ?
>
> > > > > splutters out often in early hours, as if it's been switched off, no
> > > > > obvious external cause.  Feels  like a vibration in the right-hand
> > > > > side of my head, rather than an actual sound - if I 'listen' out for
> > > > > it I can't hear it but then it suddenly emerges from the back, rather
> > > > > than from my ear.  
>
> > > > I sometimes get it in one, and other times in both ears.  Last time I 
> > > > had it
> > > > in left ear only - when inserting finger it changed from Hum to a 
> > > > physical
> > > > spasming.  
>
> > > > >I gave up caffeine twenty years ago so this is not
> > > > > a contributor but recently I have correlated the sound to be worse
> > > > > when I've had alcohol.  
>
> > > > I am still on about 5 coffees a day. No Hum at present, but I have 
> > > > regular
> > > > tinnitus in my right ear, which I imagine gets worse after a glass or 
> > > > two of
> > > > wine .
>
> > > > >I can cope with it better when I've had a
> > > > > chamomile tea and some celery and peanut butter (for the tryptophans)
> > > > > shortly before bedtime - I still hear it but it is not so bothersome.
> > > > > I have never had tinnitus but always had rather sensitive ears - I
> > > > > hate thunder and fireworks and have used ear plugs for years.  Ear
> > > > > plugs make The Hum worse, of course - I have to take them out to
> > > > > minimize my awareness of the vibration.)
>
> > > > My ears have become more sensitive to noise in general ( complicated by 
> > > > easy
> > > > internal blockage) which is normal with increasing age, evidently.
>
> > > > > This is the best explanation I've read so far though I admit it's not
> > > > > very satisfying.  When I first started hearing the hum on a regular
> > > > > basis about three months ago I was convinced it was external and
> > > > > extremely frustrated by my husband's insistence that it was all in my
> > > > > head (simply because he couldn't hear it).  Having experimented and
> > > > > found how much worse it is when I am stressed, tired and drink sodden,
>
> > > > It is especially frustrating when the Hum you hear is so loud and clear 
> > > > that
> > > > you cannot believe that others cannot hear it !
>
> > > > > I am more inclined to accept that it might be in my head though I find
> > > > > this difficult as it makes me sound a bit of a nutter.
>
> > > > You want to see some real nutters, just hang around here for a bit ! It
> > > > certainly is 'in your head', but not in a nutter sense - it is a real 
> > > > sound,
> > > > but just not one generated and propagated by he usual means !
>
> > > > > I'm also
> > > > > baffled by the way it seems to turn off, as if by a switch - around
> > > > > 5.00 a.m. last night.  Just wondering if you have found an explanation
> > > > > for that part of it in your low frequency tinnitus diagnosis,
>
> > > > I have had it switching on and off every 5 seconds for a few minutes 
> > > > once.
> > > > This was around the time of the finger-ear-spasm-thing, but did not 
> > > > seem to
> > > > be related to anything physical I was doing at the time ( layiong still 
> > > > !).
>
> > > > > I think the more I have an explanation for The Hum, the more I'll be
> > > > > able to dismiss it - at the moment, I try to convince myself to
> > > > > believe that I've left the tumble dryer on.
>
> > > > Not helpful, because things like that can cause real measurable audible 
> > > > (by
> > > > everybody  hums, and just confuse the whole matter.- Hide quoted text -
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