Mike > Note that NCCF is now an integrated part of Netview.
And has been since about 1986, 23 years by my reckoning. How ancient is this TSSO product? So it seems I was wrong in saying TSSO was *independent* of NetView. The reason I was wrong is however instructive. > An interface to the Network Communication Control Facility (NCCF) allows the network operator to use TSSO as a command processor, issuing and receiving operating system commands at the NCCF terminal. >From this statement, I guess that TSSO could still access the NCCF component of NetView[1] - if that was really necessary - and I'm a bit pushed to know why that should be that useful a function today. The point is that the most likely function you might imagine to perform via NCCF is to enter VTAM commands and receive responses but You can do that directly as MVS commands which I suspect is grist to TSSO's mill - if it's anything like my obviously very limited research revealed. Is there any indication from TSSO documentation what information NCCF (and NPDA, NLDM etc.) could offer other than VTAM commands? And now I read the ">" statement above again and I see I have it all topsy- turvy! In my footnote I mention that NCCF provided a "tasking environment". TSSO offers itself as a possible "command processor" in the NCCF environment so that, if you insist on doing all your automation though NetView's "command facility" - what was the NCCF component - you can. That is, you can exploit TSSO's automation capabilities through NetView/NCCF. Again without knowing all that much about TSSO, I would suspect that using TSSO through NetView/NCCF became obsolete at the time NetView got all its automation "ducks lined up" - also at the time I invested in using NetView's comprehensive functions for my "silent running" automation. In other words there may have been a short period in the history of NCCF/NetView when TSSO offered the cleverest way - maybe the only way - decently to automate MVS, that is, better than using the internal reader for commands and a "wait" program. Returning to your original post, I can turn it around and say "NetView/NCCF *can* use TSSO." Chris Mason [1] When NetView came out in about 1986, it was a kludged combination of 4 other products, NCCF, NPDA, NLDM and another one whose name I forget because it was always a bit useless and led more to misunderstanding than solving any real problems. NCCF provided a tasking environment which NPDA and NLDM and a few other bits and bobs exploited. Poor lambs of system programmers couldn't get their woolly heads around how to integrate the products taken separately or in combination - although it just needed a bit of fundamental understanding - and so NetView was born. Something similar happened with the OSI products in the early '90s and IBM then profited further by offering an integration service - although even the folk who offered the service never offered to integrate *all* the products - something I found myself having actually to teach during the short period I offered a class in those OSI products. On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:32:37 -0500, Ward, Mike S <mw...@ssfcu.org> wrote: >I was wondering because in @FILE404 in the pds I found this statement: > >An interface to the Network Communication Control Facility (NCCF) allows >the >network operator to use TSSO as a command processor, issuing and >receiving operating system commands at >the NCCF terminal. Note that NCCF is now an integrated part of Netview. > >-----Original Message----- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On >Behalf Of Chris Mason >Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:03 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >Subject: Re: TSSO use of NETVIEW > >Mike > >NCCF certainly makes a bit more sense. > >However, TSSO "automation" is still independent of NetView automation >which >can be traced to a development of the NCCF component of NetView. > >It's not clear what you had in mind with your original post but if it is >asking >whether NetView is required in order to use TSSO "automation", I'm >pretty >sure - although I'm not really that familiar with TSSO - that the answer >is "no". > >The reason I am pretty sure is that I used to set up a crude form of >automation of system functions myself quite independent of NCCF as it >then >was. I suspect that the package of functions, which TSSO seems to be, >incorporated some of the MVS "tricks" - together with an odd >"home-grown" >program - that I used to use and which served to teach me what was >needed >in order properly to create automated operation. > >Chris Mason > >On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:59:15 -0500, Ward, Mike S <mw...@ssfcu.org> >wrote: > >>OOPS, I meant to key NCCF and stuck an I in there by mistake. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On >>Behalf Of Chris Mason >>Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 2:39 PM >>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu >>Subject: Re: TSSO use of NETVIEW >> >>Mike >> >>There's a touch of "Are you *still* beating your wife?" about this! >> >>a. NetView is a rather large set of programs which includes the >>capability to >>set up system automation such that you can have totally silent running >>(with >>the aid of the MPF function). I know because I used to do this with my >>hands- >>on education systems. NetView comes from IBM - although Tivoli likes to >>pretend it comes from Tivoli! >> >>b. I had to look up TSSO. It comes from Bell Labs. My Googling shows >>that it >>can be found as file 401 on the CBT tape - of which much is spoken in >>this >>list. It appears to dabble in system automation but seems to depend >only >>on >>basic MVS functions and TSO - probably in batch mode. >> >>c. I also had to check on ICCF. This is exclusively a VSE "thing". I >>believe it >>does some TSO functions for VSE. >> >>Thus none of the above have - nor never had - anything to do with one >>another - unless you count being able to use NetView's NCCF TAF to use >>TSO - which is a very tenuous connection! >> >>Chris Mason >> >>On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:58:35 -0500, Ward, Mike S <mw...@ssfcu.org> >>wrote: >> >>>Hello all, I thought I had read that TSSO uses or used part of Netview >>>ICCF I think. >>> >>> >>>Is this still true? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
