I look at this as just another one of the hoops IBM makes us jump 
through if we want to lower software costs to something more 
affordable.  I've never had to go through any of the pricing gyrations, 
but I've been to a few presentations on them.  It sure seems like it 
would be easier if IBM just cut prices.  I realize that IBM has a 
monopoly on really large systems where they are already running z/OS, 
and they don't want to cut the prices of their biggest customers too 
much, or profits will fall, but if new customers can't affort to start 
out small and grow, how are they going to get any new customers for 
z/OS systems.

I thought we had a perfect senario to go to z/OS.e at our shop.  As 
many of you know, we are converting our SAP/R2 system to SAP/R3, which 
would be considered new work and would fit the criteria for running 
under z/OS.e.  Our management looked at running the file server under 
z/OS.e, but then there would need to be 2 separate operating systems 
and two separate systems.  HOWEVER, if we merge our data into our 
Pennsylvania datacenter, we don't need to purchase a 2nd SAP/R3 
license, which is saving a lot of money.  We should be converting to R3 
in early March, and physically closing our datacenter by the end of 
April. 


Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
P&H Mining Equipment
414-671-7849
Milwaukee, Wisconsin


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:27 am
Subject: Re: limited Numbers of TSO users on z/OS.e

> >Anyone found a way round the limit of 8 concurrent TSO users when
> >running under z/OS.e.
> 
> I am surprised to see this in a public forum because my 
> recollection is
> that if you do get "round the limit" it would violate the terms and
> conditions under which z/OS.e is being used. The way "round the 
> limit" is
> to purchase z/OS not z/OS.e.
> 
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design

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