On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:12:51 -0600, Ed Gould 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

That Windows data cannot be adequately secured is a canard. I'm not 
disputing that RACF (and mainframe architecture) has some unique strengths, 
but organizations do securely maintain and operate data on Windows and *nix 
servers. 

>Its *ACCESSING* MF data for all they know you could be updating it or
>reading information that you(the user) are *NOT* supposed to
>access ... oh lets say SSN#, payroll information, account balances or
>accounts rec/pay the list goes on and on and on. There is *NO* record
>of the user accessing the data and no check to be able to see if the
>user is even allowed. 

Windows security allows for fine grained permissions and full auditing.

>Just because it comes from an "IP" address
>doesn't mean squat and besides PCs are kept in open areas where
>anyone can just walk up to it.

Don't confuse the desktop PC with the server. The desktop is a terminal, just 
like your 3270 session. The data and the access control is kept on a server. I 
would assume all organizations keep servers physically secured, as they do 
the mainframe.

> If there is no sign on then there is
>no validation of what the user can do.
I'm sure all enterprise installations use signon.

>MF security (I won't use the four letters you don't want to talk
>about ) is a *KNOWN* quantity and auditors trust it, this PC you are
>talking about has essentially zero security (not quite but close to).
>If you can get the OK from an auditor I sure wouldn't want to have my
>business(or personel) records anywhere near the company. 

Our Windows based server security is validated (and approved) by the 
auditors using the same criteria as mainframe data -- demonstration of who 
has access, audit trails, control of software and procedures etc.

-Rob Wunderlich

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