Could it be instead that CA does not follow SMPE conventions (sup,pre etc) ?

Ed

ps: I would love to see it that was the real reason. Only then CA would be embarrassed (only after 10+ years)!


On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Jerry Whitteridge wrote:

One relates to a conditioning PTF required on the back level system to be able to backout an upgrade from a higher using a backup (DMPQ/ MOVQ) process native to CA-7. As I read it they attempted to backout using the standard documented process but the downlevel system couldn't use the data formatted for the uplevel system and queue corruption might have occurred.

It's shutting the door after the event - but also points to a code not a process problem.

Jerry Whitteridge
Lead Systems Programmer
Safeway Inc.
925 951 4184

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you just aren't going fast enough.


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Ashton
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown

Without having seen the HIPERs, it could be that they are trying to keep
others from blowing off their feet if they have staff who are
"operationally challenged."
B

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jerry Whitteridge <
jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com> wrote:

I've just seen 3 HIPER PTF's from CA related to CA-7 that also fit the reported information on the RBS outage. I'd not be too hasty in blaming
staff at this point.

Jerry Whitteridge
Lead Systems Programmer
Safeway Inc.
925 951 4184

If you feel in control
you just aren't going fast enough.


-----Original Message-----
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- m...@listserv.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Knutson, Sam
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown

To someone who is inexperienced on platform I imagine managing a CA-7
upgrade is like having the world's smartest dog but it only responds to
commands in Latin.  Miscommunication is likely to be a source of
dissatisfaction.

The average person <30 is not stupid because they haven't been editing command decks and JCL for 25 years or lazy but software on our platform tends to be very particular and sometimes unforgiving of mistakes i.e. failure to specify QUEUE=NOFORMAT or some non-obvious phrase as part of START command. Since business is no longer content to bring in newbies and let them spend 5-10 years to reach Journeyman status under the guidance of more senior folks software is going to have to get smarter and more
forgiving, documentation is going to have to be written with less
assumptions about the expertise of the "systems programmer" and zNextGen (generic) is going to operate "our" mainframes weather we think they are ready or not. Some of those next generation folks are not going to be
based in the home office anymore either whether we like that or not.

The Register is fun reading sometimes but they rarely have enough detail to get real insight into what actually happened. So really anything we say here is just idle speculation. Feels like Friday so that's my . 02 worth
of idle speculation :-)

        Best Regards,

                Sam Knutson, GEICO
                System z Team Leader
                mailto:sknut...@geico.com
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                (cell) 301.996.1318

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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Tom Ambros
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:25 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking
meltdown

"Complicated legacy mainframe system"? It's CA-7! If they think that's
complicated they probably can't work a Mr. Coffee.

Thomas Ambros
Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering
518-436-6433





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Date:   06/27/2012 00:44
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