Missed a point ... z/OS can't really win with this "new tech" without actually 
investing in languages to work directly with Z constructs.
Python, Go, whatever, needs to be able to talk directly to PDS, etc. without 
having to go all loopy.

- KB

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On Friday, August 6th, 2021 at 8:08 PM, kekronbekron 
<000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Despite this existing, for a 'hot topic/area' like this, I'm sure big shops 
> will wait for official solutions from IBM/Broadcom/Rocket/etc.
>
> Honestly, z/OS is an absolute marvel and it kills me to see werido solutions 
> being built on top of z/OS, claiming to be the new interface to Z.
>
> Look at a few Ansible scripts for example... it's 100 times simpler to just 
> script a solution with JCLs, REXX, and what-not.
>
> Instead, we have this monstrosity called ported Python with ZOAU, and then 
> Ansible on top.
>
> YAML annoys me to no end. It's incredibly ridiculous to see a simple SMPE job 
> being wrapped in layers upon layers of what-the-hell just so 'new people' can 
> call it from Python and call it DevOps.
>
> Sorry, I don't mean to talk ill about people's work; it's just that it's hard 
> to see this happen knowing that IBM and the mainframe software folks are 
> capable of far more.
>
> -   KB
>
>     ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>
>     On Friday, August 6th, 2021 at 7:18 PM, Lionel B. Dyck lbd...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> > If you check out ZIGI (the z/OS ISPF Git Interface) it has an option to 
> > support a 'Read Only' z/OS repository. This is a repository that is 
> > designed to manage z/OS datasets (PS, PDS, PDSE) in Git but with the 
> > restriction that updates to the z/OS datasets is prevented. It will 
> > identify updates to the z/OS datasets and then copy the updates into the 
> > OMVS Git repository for git management.
> >
> > Check it out at https://github.com/zigi
> >
> > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> >
> > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
> >
> > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck
> >
> > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what 
> > you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> > Pew, Curtis G
> >
> > Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:35 AM
> >
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >
> > Subject: Re: Rocket's Git and GitHub Enterprise
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2021, at 11:32 PM, kekronbekron 
> > 000002dee3fcae33-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
> >
> > > > I periodically copy over the current libraries and push the changes to 
> > > > GitHub.
> > >
> > > Do you mean push to GitHub and then 'build/deploy/copy over the current 
> > > (PARMLIB) libraries using some build workflow?
> >
> > I have a script in my repository that runs commands like “rm 
> > sys1.parmlib/*; cp "//'sys1.parmlib'" sys1.parmlib” (where “sys1.parmlib” 
> > is a directory in the repository.) After running it I commit the changes 
> > and then push to GitHub.
> >
> > > > It’s not perfect, but I can get some idea of when a change was made or 
> > > > find an older version of a member that isn’t working right.
> > > >
> > > > Why is it not perfect, what would you want to work better?
> >
> > “Perfect” would be if git could manage the actual PDS(E)s, but that seems 
> > like a lot to ask for.
> >
> > Pew, Curtis G
> >
> > curtis....@austin.utexas.edu
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