I learned a lot from the CICS source code IBM distributed for years.  I learned 
how to hash, build segmented tables, how to build linked lists, all techniques 
I incorporated in my programs to make them dynamic and resilient.

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of 
Brian Westerman
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 11:47 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: End of several eras

I agree, I can't possibly convey how much I learned from some old IBM fiche 
that I had access to in the computer center when I just started college.  The 
first really important thing I wrote (I was 17) were mods to pass the condition 
codes from step to step within JES2 and then send the highest one to the 
console and syslog at job end.  I later learned that others had done the same 
thing, and long before me, but I learned a lot.  That code didn't work with the 
first version of MVS I was exposed to after college, so it was followed by 
doing that same thing with two jes exits and then even later writing our 
companies Automation software that pulls the condition codes from the same 
fields they were placed in originally way back then.

Everything I have written over the years is still based on concepts and 
techniques that I first learned by looking at the code in the IBM fiche.

I had an extra advantage in that I worked for IBM throughout that same time and 
was able to see some truly spectacular coding techniques and I am truly 
thankful for that opportunity.

I realize that IBM wanted to keep nefarious people from copying the code, but I 
think that we lost a great deal of experience and expertise when we lost access 
to the code.  Some of those techniques are just not around for people to 
examine and learn from, and that's very sad.

Brian



On Mon, 31 Oct 2022 19:42:50 -0400, David Spiegel <dspiegel...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:

>Hi Tom,
>1983, eh?
>The same year as the (expletive deleted) OCO policy.
>I've seen IBM-lifers defend it on this forum, yet, it still did
>not/does not make sense.
>
>Regards,
>David
>

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