Eons ago, I tried out the RACF ISPF panels once. Took me 10x as long
to navigate to the panel as just typing the actual line command. What
those panels should do, but I don't know whether they do this or not,
is display the line command as it's executed.
To this day I don't understand why experienced systems programmers and
experienced security officers use the RACF ISPF panels.
That said, I will be writing ISPF panels to let coworkers use my
personal productivity tools.
/Leonard
David Spiegel wrote on 2/21/2023 9:47 AM:
Hi Doug,
I consider relying on ISPF Panels *solely* negative, especially when
SysProgs should learn the Command Line, in particular for RACF
Commands. This is a sign of laziness.
I've also been in jobs where I maintained/added to ISPF Applications
to e.g. create a z/OS Clone, where the user fills in the "from" and
"to" DASD addresses and the ISPF application does the rest.
BTW, I am referring negatively to people who rely upon ISPF Panels
*and* have never heard of CBT.
There is no need to get offended.
Regards,
David
On 2023-02-21 12:13, Doug wrote:
So David, you consider using ISPF panels a net negative? I used to
write dialogs for anything repetitive that I or anyone else had to do.
Never thought it was bad if "people in charge are by-the-book
mentality and I can imagine them using ISPF Panels for everything
from RACF to SMP/e." Especially when I was the person in charge.
And I knew what the CBT tape was and is....
Doug Fuerst
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Hi Brian,
You said: "...so why would they question my use of anything I need
in order to perform my job efficiently? ..."
My answer is that the people in charge are by-the-book mentality
and I can imagine them using ISPF Panels for everything from RACF
to SMP/e.
(At one of my jobs, the MVS Team Lead said : "CBT??? ... never
heard of it" (This guy has been an MVS Systems Programmer for more
than 30 years.))
These same people eschew creativity in any form, because, they're
scared due to ignorance.
Regards,
David
On 2023-02-21 00:31, Brian Westerman wrote:
I think that's a pretty invalid point. I don't see anyone
questioning how to write an exit or install a new system, or use
SMPe, so why would they question my use of anything I need in
order to perform my job efficiently?
Maybe it's just that they all assume I must know what I'm doing.
If they didn't believe that, I doubt they would have asked me to
do the project.
Brian
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