I have a zD&TLE (as it got called). IBM wasn't prepared to deal with the response they got, and they also are simply not set up to deal with selling to individuals. On top of that, the technology they're using for licensing is getting long in the tooth, and they are not going to be able to use it beyond some time this year. Existing zD&TLE users got an extra year for free, but that's the end of that program. I am assured they are working on a replacement, but I have no details.
On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more > affordable price with quite restrictive T&C's. I do agree with your > sentiments. I work with young guys and they raised the same point, > accessibility to a system to kick tires is an issue for young guys > considering a career as a mainframer. > > On 3/3/23 11:27, David Spiegel wrote: > > Hi David, > > You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need > > tools that they are familiar with ...". > > That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing > > people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their > > best interest. > > How many more decades will this take and will it be too late by the > > tie IBM figures it out? > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > On 2023-03-02 19:40, David Crayford wrote: > >> On 2/3/23 22:10, Rick Troth wrote: > >>> On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote: > >>>> I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run > >>>> in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that > >>>> and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage > >>>> of package management. The next gen guys don't use TSO/ISPF and > >>>> they're going to use Python and couldn't give a hoot about NetRexx. > >>> > >>> > >>> Lua is great. (Got a link to the MVS version of it?) > >> > >> Yes > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FLua4z%2FLua4z&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jeAvZSPCDIzkEhY0X5UMvrcno4CSGEGC%2BHUCTdaGs%2FY%3D&reserved=0 > >> and the doc is here > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flua4z.github.io%2FLua4z%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lb%2Fta5hn0YrHv55d1uZdfLnMh7JIfpIrDLR%2F0bLqyAM%3D&reserved=0 > >> which includes the installation instructions. > >> > >> Disclaimer: lt's my port. It's an EBCDIC port and I tweaked the > >> package loader to support PDS source data sets. Check out lpeg [1], > >> it rocks and is frequently used to write transpilers [2] > >> > >> [1] > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inf.puc-rio.br%2F~roberto%2Flpeg%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AtRLB0kd74fylPFeqmFPxm2ovG5BawGC03vNSgiUx5U%3D&reserved=0 > >> [2] > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoonscript.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGBIv%2BkBUUO0Y%2BWuxQrK4MoV%2BNy%2FUnHQnXbVm0cvmDQ%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> > >>> But language-centric ecosystems not so much. (everything from PIP to > >>> Maven) > >>> > >>> We've lost the concept of inter-language calls. > >>> With increasing numbers of new and amazing languages, we seem to be > >>> LESS able to choose and use the right language for the function. > >> > >> It's great that there is more choice on z/OS now but we are still way > >> behind other platforms such as Linux. If we want to attract and > >> retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with. IBM > >> are investing heavily on porting tools to z/OS and have a dedicated > >> team headed up by a distinguished engineer. IBM don't do altruism so > >> they obviously take this seriously. I see they have a port of rsync > >> which piqued my interest. > >> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FZOSOpenTools&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iO2AsRLJSLWKM7VYXy5euYnP0uHhVm57Qd1COtLdGgY%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- R; <>< > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
