They only got a few dongles out before they shut the program down. On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:22 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more > affordable price with quite restrictive T&C's. I do agree with your > sentiments. I work with young guys and they raised the same point, > accessibility to a system to kick tires is an issue for young guys > considering a career as a mainframer. > > On 3/3/23 11:27, David Spiegel wrote: > > Hi David, > > You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need > > tools that they are familiar with ...". > > That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing > > people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their > > best interest. > > How many more decades will this take and will it be too late by the > > tie IBM figures it out? > > > > Regards, > > David > > > > On 2023-03-02 19:40, David Crayford wrote: > >> On 2/3/23 22:10, Rick Troth wrote: > >>> On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote: > >>>> I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run > >>>> in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that > >>>> and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage > >>>> of package management. The next gen guys don't use TSO/ISPF and > >>>> they're going to use Python and couldn't give a hoot about NetRexx. > >>> > >>> > >>> Lua is great. (Got a link to the MVS version of it?) > >> > >> Yes > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FLua4z%2FLua4z&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jeAvZSPCDIzkEhY0X5UMvrcno4CSGEGC%2BHUCTdaGs%2FY%3D&reserved=0 > >> and the doc is here > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flua4z.github.io%2FLua4z%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lb%2Fta5hn0YrHv55d1uZdfLnMh7JIfpIrDLR%2F0bLqyAM%3D&reserved=0 > >> which includes the installation instructions. > >> > >> Disclaimer: lt's my port. It's an EBCDIC port and I tweaked the > >> package loader to support PDS source data sets. Check out lpeg [1], > >> it rocks and is frequently used to write transpilers [2] > >> > >> [1] > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inf.puc-rio.br%2F~roberto%2Flpeg%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AtRLB0kd74fylPFeqmFPxm2ovG5BawGC03vNSgiUx5U%3D&reserved=0 > >> [2] > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoonscript.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGBIv%2BkBUUO0Y%2BWuxQrK4MoV%2BNy%2FUnHQnXbVm0cvmDQ%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> > >>> But language-centric ecosystems not so much. (everything from PIP to > >>> Maven) > >>> > >>> We've lost the concept of inter-language calls. > >>> With increasing numbers of new and amazing languages, we seem to be > >>> LESS able to choose and use the right language for the function. > >> > >> It's great that there is more choice on z/OS now but we are still way > >> behind other platforms such as Linux. If we want to attract and > >> retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with. IBM > >> are investing heavily on porting tools to z/OS and have a dedicated > >> team headed up by a distinguished engineer. IBM don't do altruism so > >> they obviously take this seriously. I see they have a port of rsync > >> which piqued my interest. > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FZOSOpenTools&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iO2AsRLJSLWKM7VYXy5euYnP0uHhVm57Qd1COtLdGgY%3D&reserved=0 > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- R; <>< > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >>> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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