It's my understanding that IBM made the zPDT available at a much more affordable price with quite restrictive T&C's. I do agree with your sentiments. I work with young guys and they raised the same point, accessibility to a system to kick tires is an issue for young guys considering a career as a mainframer.

On 3/3/23 11:27, David Spiegel wrote:
Hi David,
You said: "... If we want to attract and retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with ...". That is not the entire story. IBM also should realize that allowing people to experiment with z/OS via Hercules (for free) is in their best interest. How many more decades will this take and will it be too late by the tie IBM figures it out?

Regards,
David

On 2023-03-02 19:40, David Crayford wrote:
On 2/3/23 22:10, Rick Troth wrote:
On 3/2/23 05:49, David Crayford wrote:
I think 99% of the folks on this forum want a language that can run in a TSO/ISPF environment hosted in PDS data sets. Lua can do that and it's orders of magnitudes faster then REXX with the advantage of package management. The next gen guys don't use TSO/ISPF and they're going to use Python and couldn't give a hoot about NetRexx.


Lua is great. (Got a link to the MVS version of it?)

Yes https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FLua4z%2FLua4z&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=jeAvZSPCDIzkEhY0X5UMvrcno4CSGEGC%2BHUCTdaGs%2FY%3D&reserved=0 and the doc is here https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flua4z.github.io%2FLua4z%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lb%2Fta5hn0YrHv55d1uZdfLnMh7JIfpIrDLR%2F0bLqyAM%3D&reserved=0 which includes the installation instructions.

Disclaimer: lt's my port. It's an EBCDIC port and I tweaked the package loader to support PDS source data sets. Check out lpeg [1], it rocks and is frequently used to write transpilers [2]

[1] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.inf.puc-rio.br%2F~roberto%2Flpeg%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AtRLB0kd74fylPFeqmFPxm2ovG5BawGC03vNSgiUx5U%3D&reserved=0 [2] https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoonscript.org%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGBIv%2BkBUUO0Y%2BWuxQrK4MoV%2BNy%2FUnHQnXbVm0cvmDQ%3D&reserved=0


But language-centric ecosystems not so much. (everything from PIP to Maven)

We've lost the concept of inter-language calls.
With increasing numbers of new and amazing languages, we seem to be LESS able to choose and use the right language for the function.

It's great that there is more choice on z/OS now but we are still way behind other platforms such as Linux. If we want to attract and retain young talent we need tools that they are familiar with. IBM are investing heavily on porting tools to z/OS and have a dedicated team headed up by a distinguished engineer. IBM don't do altruism so they obviously take this seriously. I see they have a port of rsync which piqued my interest. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FZOSOpenTools&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8543ad69920a4eb52ad508db1b7fed92%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638134008542999041%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iO2AsRLJSLWKM7VYXy5euYnP0uHhVm57Qd1COtLdGgY%3D&reserved=0




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