Examine the documentation; you'll see that it always reads OS/VS2, sometimes with MVS following it, sometimes not, e.g., "OS/VS2 MVS Overview", "This edition applies to Release 3.8 of OSjVS2 and to all subsequent releases of OSjVS2 until otherwise indicated in new editions or Technical Newsletters."
Gotta love bitsavers. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 10:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi R'Shmuel AMV"SH, I worked for 2 quirky customers in a row. Both had MVS 3.8J. When I arrived at the 2nd one in 1983, they were still running OS/VS1 7D with BPE. Regards, David On 2023-03-07 17:11, Seymour J Metz wrote: > ITYM OS/VS2 3.8J. I would have expected that by 1986 most MVS customers would > have installed MVS/SE if not MVS/SP; both MVS/SE and MVS/SP V1 installed on > top of OS/VS2 3.8 with an appropriate SU repertoire.. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C044d0c9792af411f58c708db1f899030%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638138447923699943%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QCCUSb01BAgf6s71ufA%2FbzWJdvf8KYr01BxyesgaqMg%3D&reserved=0 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > David Spiegel [00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 4:03 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: zOSMF > > Hi Terri, > Maybe you mean OS2/MVS 3.8(J)? > That could've been circa 1986. > (I also have a similar progression, but, did VS1 7D with BPE before MVS.) > > Regards, > David > > On 2023-03-07 15:25, Shaffer, Terri wrote: >> It was 1984/1985, maybe 1986 even, as my memory is foggy.. yes mvs/sp 3.8 I >> added the 1. Then XA/ESA/OS390/z-OS >> >> Ms Terri E Shaffer >> Senior Systems Engineer, >> z/OS Support: >> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >> terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of >> David Spiegel >> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:47 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: zOSMF >> >> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the >> content is safe. >> >> >> Hi Terri, >> "...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this? >> (I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.) >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote: >>> When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a >>> 30 minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a >>> consideration. >>> >>> So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of >>> layers to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs >>> submitting a canned job, is hours vs minutes. >>> >>> As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and >>> even OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS >>> principle, sadly. >>> >>> So I have to disagree.......... >>> >>> Ms Terri E Shaffer >>> Senior Systems Engineer, >>> z/OS Support: >>> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >>> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >>> terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>> Behalf Of Rob Schramm >>> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 4:27 PM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: zOSMF >>> >>> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the >>> content is safe. >>> >>> >>> I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement. >>> Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind >>> of installing over and over and over again and the customization the >>> workflow features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a >>> continuously pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to >>> make it lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points >>> and the packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it >>> happens whether it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the >>> right direction. >>> >>> I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were >>> incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here. >>> >>> Just my two cents. >>> >>> Rob Schramm >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up. >>>> With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target from our >>>> driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system, z/OSMF wanted >>>> the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF. Not good >>>> for us. >>>> >>>> Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any >>>> DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to >>>> build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated OMVS >>>> dataset with the >>>> EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what happens when the ROOT grows >>>> beyond 4GB? >>>> >>>> There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at >>>> the moment. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri < >>>> 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Randy, >>>>> I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and >>>>> at least another 7 years to go. >>>>> >>>>> I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source. >>>> Not >>>>> a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet >>>>> more strange messages. >>>>> >>>>> I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then >>>>> ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time, >>>>> the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to the >>>>> complexity. Plus >>>> there >>>>> are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because >>>>> z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing, >>>>> makes this even more difficult. >>>>> >>>>> More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the >>>>> future >>>> what >>>>> I can in z/OSMF software installs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ms Terri E Shaffer >>>>> Senior Systems Engineer, >>>>> z/OS Support: >>>>> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >>>>> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >>>>> terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>>>> Behalf Of Harris Randy - Nashville >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:03 AM >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: zOSMF >>>>> >>>>> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you >>>>> know >>>> the >>>>> content is safe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this >>>>> for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer). >>>>> I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF. >>>>> Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers. >>>>> That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen. >>>>> Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF. >>>>> It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac. >>>>> >>>>> Randy Harris >>>>> P 615-344-3244 >>>>> C 662-401-8552 >>>>> james.harr...@hcahealthcare.com >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>>>> Behalf Of rpinion865 >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 9:37 AM >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>>> Subject: {EXTERNAL} zOSMF >>>>> >>>>> CAUTION! This email originated from outside of our organization. DO >>>>> NOT CLICK links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender >>>>> and know the content is safe. >>>>> >>>>> Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. 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