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a zIIP gives adequate performance, otherwise takes 90 minutes to start
up, on z/OS 2.5..
On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 8:16 PM Shaffer, Terri
<0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> Not exactly sure what you mean by 300?
>
> But for example I never use or logon to z/OSMF and this is it usage since Oct
> last year, my last IPL
>
> Jobname REAL EXCP's CPU-TIME
> IZUSVR1 , 125T 0.00 0.00 0.00 87 0057 112642169 14774.64
>
> Ms Terri E Shaffer
> Senior Systems Engineer,
> z/OS Support:
> ACIWorldwide – Telecommuter
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of
> Mike Schwab
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 8:44 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: zOSMF
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> Did you increase the tasks to 300? Otherwise the tasks keep swapping in and
> out.
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 7:40 PM Shaffer, Terri
> <0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > And this doesn't begin to address the CPU MIPS required to even run thru
> > the screens.
> >
> > When I IPL and z/OSMF starts it takes over the LPAR for a few minutes.
> > When I logon and try to do anything its slow as molasses.
> >
> > Whereas in ISPF and ServerPAC dialogs I hardly ever left TSO PERIOD 1,
> > response times.
> >
> > I have no choice but, having a hard time seeing the plus's.
> >
> > Even the migration guide is difficult on a 14" monitor, and because of the
> > tabs, screen space available its very difficult.
> >
> > When I did my z/OS 2.5, I found the XML and did it manually in an hour or
> > so.
> >
> > Sorry <RANT OFF>
> >
> > Ms Terri E Shaffer
> > Senior Systems Engineer,
> > z/OS Support:
> > ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
> > Behalf Of Bill Johnson
> > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 8:16 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: zOSMF
> >
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> >
> > I have to agree with this. Once I had my JCL created for just about any
> > upgrade task, it was simple to make small changes to rerun the same process
> > for the next upgrade. That goes for zOS, DB2, CICS, IMS, MQ, and most third
> > party software.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > On Monday, March 6, 2023, 8:12 PM, Shaffer, Terri
> > <0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a
> > 30 minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a
> > consideration.
> >
> > So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of
> > layers to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs
> > submitting a canned job, is hours vs minutes.
> >
> > As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and
> > even OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS
> > principle, sadly.
> >
> > So I have to disagree..........
> >
> > Ms Terri E Shaffer
> > Senior Systems Engineer,
> > z/OS Support:
> > ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
> > Behalf Of Rob Schramm
> > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 4:27 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: zOSMF
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> >
> > I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement.
> > Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind
> > of installing over and over and over again and the customization the
> > workflow features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a
> > continuously pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to
> > make it lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points
> > and the packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it
> > happens whether it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the
> > right direction.
> >
> > I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were
> > incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > Rob Schramm
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up.
> > > With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target
> > > from our driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system,
> > > z/OSMF wanted the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF.
> > > Not good for us.
> > >
> > > Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any
> > > DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to
> > > build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated
> > > OMVS dataset with the EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what
> > > happens when the ROOT grows beyond 4GB?
> > >
> > > There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at
> > > the moment.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri <
> > > 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Randy,
> > > > I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and
> > > >at least another 7 years to go.
> > > >
> > > > I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source.
> > > Not
> > > > a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet
> > > > more strange messages.
> > > >
> > > > I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then
> > > > ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time,
> > > > the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to
> > > > the complexity. Plus
> > > there
> > > > are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because
> > > > z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing,
> > > > makes this even more difficult.
> > > >
> > > > More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the
> > > > future
> > > what
> > > > I can in z/OSMF software installs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ms Terri E Shaffer
> > > > Senior Systems Engineer,
> > > > z/OS Support:
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> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On
> > > > Behalf Of Harris Randy - Nashville
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> > > > Subject: Re: zOSMF
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> > > >
> > > > I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this
> > > > for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer).
> > > > I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF.
> > > > Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers.
> > > > That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen.
> > > > Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF.
> > > > It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac.
> > > >
> > > > Randy Harris
> > > > P 615-344-3244
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> > > >
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> > > > Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. In attempting to load the Portable
> > > > Software Instance, retrieving the contents from the directory,
> > > > that was used when the order was retrieved to our system, I get the
> > > > following error.
> > > >
> > > > An error was found in file "/u/pinionr/TDMF/IZUD00DF.json". Error:
> > > > "The file contains data that is not supported by the current level of
> > > > z/OSMF.
> > > > The version = 8."IZUD277E Feb 16, 2023, 10:14:02 AM
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea how to proceed. If I need to apply maintenance to
> > > > zOSMF, how would I be able to proceed?
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