It was 1984/1985, maybe 1986 even, as my memory is foggy.. yes mvs/sp 3.8 I
added the 1. Then XA/ESA/OS390/z-OS
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Hi Terri,
"...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this?
(I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.)
Regards,
David
On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote:
> When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30
> minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a consideration.
>
> So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of layers
> to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs submitting a
> canned job, is hours vs minutes.
>
> As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and even
> OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS
> principle, sadly.
>
> So I have to disagree..........
>
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> I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement.
> Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind of
> installing over and over and over again and the customization the workflow
> features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a continuously
> pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to make it
> lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points and the
> packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it happens whether
> it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the right direction.
>
> I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were
> incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Rob Schramm
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up.
>> With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target from our
>> driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system, z/OSMF wanted
>> the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF. Not good
>> for us.
>>
>> Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any
>> DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to
>> build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated OMVS
>> dataset with the
>> EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what happens when the ROOT grows
>> beyond 4GB?
>>
>> There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at
>> the moment.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri <
>> 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Randy,
>>> I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and
>>> at least another 7 years to go.
>>>
>>> I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source.
>> Not
>>> a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet
>>> more strange messages.
>>>
>>> I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then
>>> ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time,
>>> the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to the
>>> complexity. Plus
>> there
>>> are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because
>>> z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing,
>>> makes this even more difficult.
>>>
>>> More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the
>>> future
>> what
>>> I can in z/OSMF software installs.
>>>
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>>> I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this
>>> for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer).
>>> I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF.
>>> Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers.
>>> That's fine. However, I am not a GUI fan. I like the green screen.
>>> Serverpac works great. I am running into issues trying to learn z/OSMF.
>>> It's a waste of my time when I already know how to use Serverpac.
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>>> Running zOSMF under z/OS 2.4. In attempting to load the Portable
>>> Software Instance, retrieving the contents from the directory, that
>>> was used when the order was retrieved to our system, I get the following
>>> error.
>>>
>>> An error was found in file "/u/pinionr/TDMF/IZUD00DF.json". Error:
>>> "The file contains data that is not supported by the current level of
>>> z/OSMF.
>>> The version = 8."IZUD277E Feb 16, 2023, 10:14:02 AM
>>>
>>> I have no idea how to proceed. If I need to apply maintenance to
>>> zOSMF, how would I be able to proceed?
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