MVS/SP V1 R3.8? I believe that was the last release that did not require XA or better.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [00000468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zOSMF Hi Terri, "...MVS 1.3.8..." I don't remember 1.3.8. Which year was this? (I've heard of MVS 3.8 and MVS/SP 1.3, though.) Regards, David On 2023-03-06 20:12, Shaffer, Terri wrote: > When I worked at Chase bank, We had 117 LPARS and maintenance/clone was a 30 > minute task. So adding z/OSMF was never even brought up as a consideration. > > So while I understand the direction IBM is headed, its adding LOTS of layers > to something that sound not be hard. Running thru screens vs submitting a > canned job, is hours vs minutes. > > As much as I love my job and starting with MVS 1.3.8 to now z/OS 2.5 and even > OS/390, they have added a layer of complexity that eliminated the KISS > principle, sadly. > > So I have to disagree.......... > > Ms Terri E Shaffer > Senior Systems Engineer, > z/OS Support: > ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter > H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) > terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of > Rob Schramm > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 4:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: zOSMF > > EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the > content is safe. > > > I think the promise of zosmf is far beyond just a server pack replacement. > Yeah server pack was great for what it was but when it comes to the grind of > installing over and over and over again and the customization the workflow > features I believe really hold the promise to fixing what is a continuously > pain in the butt situation. And hopefully they'll continue to make it > lighter and lighter. But the other part is the distribution points and the > packaging for distribution. Yeah I don't really care how it happens whether > it's a GUI or not. But in my view this is steps in the right direction. > > I would point you to Ed's presentation on the workflow features that were > incorporated to E/JES2 installation. I really think there's something here. > > Just my two cents. > > Rob Schramm > > On Mon, Mar 6, 2023, 12:06 Michael Babcock <bigironp...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree. We use a permanent maintenance LPAR which is generally not up. >> With ServerPac, it didn't matter we could select it as the target from our >> driving system. With z/OSMF, if run on the driving system, z/OSMF wanted >> the target up and wanted to communicate with it via z/OSMF. Not good >> for us. >> >> Further, PSWI uses DSS to restore the datasets and ignores any >> DATACLAS parameters. Our OMVS datasets are all EXTADDR so we had to >> build a REXX EXEC to copy the OMVS datasets to a newly allocated OMVS >> dataset with the >> EXTADDR attribute. Which by the way, what happens when the ROOT grows >> beyond 4GB? >> >> There were a number of other things we ran into which escape me at the >> moment. >> >> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 10:15 AM Shaffer, Terri < >> 0000017d5f778222-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >>> Randy, >>> I completely agree, This will be my 40th year working on z/OS and >>> at least another 7 years to go. >>> >>> I find z/OSMF cumbersome. I prefer to do things close to the source. >> Not >>> a tool to add layers of complexity and places to go wrong with yet >>> more strange messages. >>> >>> I installed z/OS 2.5 before they eliminated SERVERPAC. I then >>> ordered it again to try it thru z/OSMF, it added a lot more time, >>> the SSA's, my SMS ACS routines and how things got built added to the >>> complexity. Plus >> there >>> are many times I would bypass steps in serverpac, that because >>> z/OSMF is performing what they call checks, think idiot proofing, >>> makes this even more difficult. >>> >>> More to come, but if I find work arounds, I will bypass in the >>> future >> what >>> I can in z/OSMF software installs. >>> >>> >>> Ms Terri E Shaffer >>> Senior Systems Engineer, >>> z/OS Support: >>> ACIWorldwide - Telecommuter >>> H(412-766-2697) C(412-519-2592) >>> terri.shaf...@aciworldwide.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On >>> Behalf Of Harris Randy - Nashville >>> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:03 AM >>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>> Subject: Re: zOSMF >>> >>> EXTERNAL EMAIL: Do not click links or open attachments unless you >>> know >> the >>> content is safe. >>> >>> >>> I'm sure my complaints don't do any good, but I've been doing this >>> for 25 years (I know many of you a lot longer). >>> I don't understand why IBM wants to force everyone to use z/OSMF. >>> Maybe it's an attempt to attract a younger group of System Programmers. >>> That's fine. 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